From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nikolaus Rath Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2016 12:46:30 -0800 Message-ID: <878u1um2xl.fsf@thinkpad.rath.org> References: <56BE7E37.3090708@cs.ucla.edu> <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <64a52598-ad53-498c-993c-67d7827dbdfc@default> <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457383611 20420 80.91.229.3 (7 Mar 2016 20:46:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 20:46:51 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Mar 07 21:46:42 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ad237-0007zN-Qq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 21:46:41 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58469 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad237-0006wY-Cj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:46:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41552) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad233-0006th-0n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:46:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad22z-0000OL-Sh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:46:36 -0500 Original-Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.29]:45545) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ad22z-0000Nk-PR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:46:33 -0500 Original-Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B12E20D97 for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 15:46:32 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 07 Mar 2016 15:46:32 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=6pxRVzTIgKfof9c lCKKvrBdexis=; b=Xa9M3M6entdoBRvv+HIVPdWl9fyWXkLmvJDlUJh4JNoBZi3 6Pw70YiQso6vBcZfvZrxoMwk3i1euEpcHavTkiHIsUaXNztUCNLvC9fX8+RNXO5f JxItsY2GSw25jFHWWUzmy1Ynq3Fk4VY4C+fYZVraBsvs1BKu7uXlIFkOurnc= X-Sasl-enc: YdeV6D7IuXH62bBWSgI/mVpSTvzjibgIuw+SBn1sLrcu 1457383591 Original-Received: from ebox.rath.org (ebox.rath.org [45.79.69.51]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B321768016A for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 15:46:31 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from thinkpad.rath.org (thinkpad [192.168.12.2]) by ebox.rath.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 065BC20BA7D for ; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 20:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: by thinkpad.rath.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B696ABFD80; Mon, 7 Mar 2016 12:46:30 -0800 (PST) Mail-Copies-To: never Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <838u1uuuau.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 07 Mar 2016 18:28:09 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130014 (Ma Gnus v0.14) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 66.111.4.29 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201070 Archived-At: On Mar 07 2016, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> I want to choose the path that works for the core developers, and >> will make Emacs more welcoming to new contributors. > > It is IMO a grave mistake to remove parts of our development process > just because they need to be learned by new contributors. The result > will be increased burden on the shoulders of those who review the > submissions, due to the need to coach them, catch their mistakes, ask > for re-submissions, etc. When I submitted my first Emacs patch, I was astonished when I was asked to re-submit with my commit message essentially duplicated in the ChangeLog. How can it be an increased burden if reviewers have to review just one thing (the commit message) instead of two (commit message and ChangeLog)? Best, -Nikolaus --=20 GPG encrypted emails preferred. Key id: 0xD113FCAC3C4E599F Fingerprint: ED31 791B 2C5C 1613 AF38 8B8A D113 FCAC 3C4E 599F =C2=BBTime flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a Banana.=C2= =AB