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From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: rgm@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, michael.albinus@gmx.de,
	Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: Docstrings and manuals
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:55:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878u0bcc0b.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83ziss9sml.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:12:18 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> I'm not arguing in favor of leaving mistakes in the manual. But I think 
>> it should be strictly a derivative work. I.e. the docstrings must 
>> contain the complete information (if maybe presented in a terse 
>> fashion), and the manual could rephrase that, only to make it more 
>> accessible (but not more informative).
>
> Once you allow rephrasing, you already allow deviation.  And there
> really is no way around allowing it, because a manual that includes
> only the doc strings with a minimum "glue" is much less palatable.
> You can look at Guile as one example; GnuTLS is another.  Such manuals
> are much less useful, IME, than what we have in Emacs.
>
> One thing that you will never find in doc strings is a discussion of
> merits and demerits of different ways of solving some problem,
> especially if such a discussion requires to jump back and forth
> between these ways, in order to make some point.
>
> IOW, writing a good manual is still a human activity that cannot be
> easily automated.  Ideally, doc strings should be phrased like
> reference material, covering all the traits as tersely as possible,
> while the manual should provide an easier reading with more continuity
> text and even some explanations why things are the way they are.  At
> least IMO.


I think that the two should have a different purpose. I would like more
"tutorial" information in the manual (in the sense of "here is a bit of
code that does something with the functions we are discussing at this
point"), while the docstrings should be the main documentation.

For myself, I think, being able to get to the docstring easily (probably
with a tooltip) from any occurrence of a function or variable in the
manual would be excellent.

Phil



  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-18 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-23 23:49 bug#20637: incompatible, undocumented change to vc-working-revision Glenn Morris
2016-03-28 23:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-29 18:13   ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-01  0:36     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-09 19:34       ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-09 20:42         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-10  8:00           ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-10 16:00             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-10 18:09               ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-10 18:58                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-11  6:55                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-13 20:55                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-14  7:10                       ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-14 13:53                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-14 15:26                           ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-15  0:33                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-15 13:13                               ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-14 15:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-13 15:14   ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-13 20:49     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-14  7:21       ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-14 14:20         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-14 18:31           ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-15  0:20             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-15 13:11               ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-17  0:44                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-18 12:27                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-18 12:33                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-18 12:46                       ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-18  1:40                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-15  1:01             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-15  1:04               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-15 13:23               ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-17  0:17                 ` Docstrings and manuals, was: " Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-17  8:49                   ` Docstrings and manuals Michael Albinus
2016-04-17 10:50                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-17 11:16                       ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-17 11:42                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-17 12:19                           ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-17 13:12                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-17 15:14                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-17 16:39                               ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-17 19:39                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-17 15:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-17 19:59                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-18  2:30                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-18 12:55                             ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2016-04-18 15:35                               ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-04-18 15:47                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-18 16:30                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-04-18 18:56                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-18 19:33                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-18 19:39                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <<83ziss9sml.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-04-17 15:54                             ` Drew Adams
2016-04-17 15:03                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-17 15:15                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-17 16:23                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-17 20:22                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-18  2:33                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-18  8:38                           ` Richard Stallman
2016-04-18  9:50                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-19  0:25                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-04-19  7:59                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-19 23:51                                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-04-17  0:27                 ` bug#20637: incompatible, undocumented change to vc-working-revision Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-18  1:33             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-18 12:28               ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-18 12:37                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-18 12:53                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-18 12:58                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-18 13:06                       ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-18 16:34                     ` John Wiegley
2016-04-18 14:55           ` vc-state and unregistered (was: bug#20637: incompatible, undocumented change to vc-working-revision) Michael Albinus
2016-04-18 21:11             ` vc-state and unregistered Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-19  8:10               ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-19  8:21                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-19  8:31                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-19  8:43                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24 12:11                       ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-24 12:21                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24 12:45                           ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-24 12:49                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24 13:07                               ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-24 13:13                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24 13:24                                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-24 13:27                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24 14:03                                       ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-24 17:23                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24 17:35                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24 18:13                                   ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-24 18:58                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24 19:41                                       ` Michael Albinus
2016-04-24 20:43                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24 13:08                               ` Dmitry Gutov

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