From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de (H. Dieter Wilhelm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Differences between Org-Mode and Hyperbole Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:15:18 +0200 Organization: The Church of Emacs Message-ID: <878txnej61.fsf@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> References: <87h9cdmj6t.fsf@delle7240.chemeng.ucl.ac.uk> <831t3fx5pu.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1467238568 30373 80.91.229.3 (29 Jun 2016 22:16:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:16:08 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 30 00:16:00 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bINlx-0001d2-3Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:15:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46003 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bINlw-0006GH-5I for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 18:15:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39802) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bINlo-00064o-IF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 18:15:45 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bINlj-0005Ao-FG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 18:15:43 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:33575) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bINlj-0005Ah-34 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Jun 2016 18:15:39 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bINld-0001O9-Pa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:15:33 +0200 Original-Received: from p57acf367.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([87.172.243.103]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:15:33 +0200 Original-Received: from dieter by p57acf367.dip0.t-ipconnect.de with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:15:33 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: p57acf367.dip0.t-ipconnect.de User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:ttoC1lrbw1xNBg61JecP82VuVWw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:204962 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > #+BEGIN_SRC emacs-lisp > (defun org-xor (a b) > "Exclusive or." > (if a (not b) b)) > #+END_SRC > > Once again, this sounds like saying that my documents _must_ be Org > formatted, or the feature won't work. > > Do you see the point now? I see your point, but you can't blame Org for it. For all those powerful features to work - under plain text - the Org people had to invent some sort of "markup" language. I guess they were just the first to succeed with this "organiser" idea, utilising disparate Emacs modules (folding, Calc, calendar, BBDB, GNUS, Elisp, dired, ...) from *one* major mode. It is this unifying approach which is most important, I want my document for capturing, organising and storing information, I need to calculate and visualise information and also that the very same sources can be published as well. And I don't have a problem with its formatting (just an unavoidable thing in general) because I experience Org as an enabler of Emacs' functionality triggered from *one* document. So for me Org is as much Emacs and more as, for example, dired is! Dieter -- Best wishes H. Dieter Wilhelm Kelkheim, Germany