From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: instead of gnus-cloud.el Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:44:40 -0400 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <878tx77yyf.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87k2gs8bak.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1468331123 18753 80.91.229.3 (12 Jul 2016 13:45:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 13:45:23 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 12 15:45:17 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bMxzo-00015s-Q8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:45:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40601 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMxzk-0000n2-On for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:45:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58662) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMxzZ-0000jI-BE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:44:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMxzT-0008A5-SD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:44:52 -0400 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:54390) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMxzT-00089s-LB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:44:47 -0400 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bMxzR-0000ss-8C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:44:45 +0200 Original-Received: from c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([98.229.60.157]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:44:45 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:44:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-229-60-157.hsd1.ma.comcast.net X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:pzR17V+3trdaAdHSm7tWt2aCJnw= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 80.91.229.3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205576 Archived-At: On Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:10:55 -0400 Richard Stallman wrote: RS> The term "cloud computing" clouds users minds; it discourages them RS> from asking crucial questions, such as "Whose computer is that, in RS> which country, and what exactly are they asking me to entrust to it?" RS> It fuzzes all the different uses of the network together. So we urge RS> people to reject the term "cloud." See RS> http://gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html. RS> Thus, I was perturbed to see that a file in Gnus grants legitimacy RS> to the term "cloud" by using it. The name ought to be changed. RS> I was going to suggest another name based on what the file does. RS> But I can't figure out what it does. The only explanation is one RS> line at the top of the file, and it doesn't say much. That is RS> bad maintenance. Like Lars, I think this is funny because it's entirely unlike the "cloud" in "cloud computing." It lets the user store their files, Gnus, and other settings on an IMAP server they can control. If "cloud" is really unacceptable, this replaces gnus-sync.el so maybe it could take that name. But I would rather explain the joke in the commentary. Ted