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From: Stefan Huchler <stefan.huchler@mail.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: lldb support
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2016 01:59:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878tsph5sr.fsf@mail.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m24m3d52op.fsf@newartisans.com

John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> writes:

> I understand believing that "GNU everywhere" could increase freedom due to the
> nature of the GPL, but now it starts to sound a lot more like "freedom to use
> what the FSF thinks you should use", rather than real freedom -- especially
> when the FSF's choices are less capable than other free alternatives.

Not including something does not limit choices in my mind? Everybody is
free in forking something or write a extension. But thats just my 2
cents on that.

So I think it should be watched more from a gain and loss
perspective. Like you would discuss other features. So what would be the
harm and what the gain.

The gain is that maybe more people use Emacs? I doubt that somebody uses
emacs because of that feature or not, either you love emacs or you hate
it, there is not much room between that. But maybe I am wrong here.

But lets say a few use emacs then, and send maybe patches or write
packages for it.

The negative is that maybe some users will use lldb instead of gdb, and
send patches for lldb instead of gdb. Therefor lldb will be more
usefull, and some companies that make proprietary software will not only
profit from it, they could even sell proprietary extensions to it?

Something like that? I mean companies could and shurly do use also gdb
to develop proprietary software, so its more about the proprietary
extensions.

Isnt that the core conflict between the opensource movement and the free
software movement? That you care about such stuff, while the opensource
movement only want better tools and a more productive development system?

Or why does the gpl exist in the first place if its just replacable and
the same as such public domain like bsd lisense?




  reply	other threads:[~2016-11-12  0:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-07 20:05 lldb support Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-07 20:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-08  3:08   ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-08 13:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-08 19:58       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-09  0:54     ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-09  1:17       ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-09  3:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-10  0:24         ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-10  0:26           ` Daniel Colascione
2016-11-11  1:26             ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-11  4:24               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-11  4:46               ` Nikolaus Rath
2016-11-12  0:42                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-11  9:44               ` Philippe Vaucher
2016-11-11 17:11                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-11-11 17:42                 ` Stefan Huchler
2016-11-11 17:47                 ` John Wiegley
2016-11-12  0:59                   ` Stefan Huchler [this message]
2016-11-12 22:30                   ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-14 21:58                     ` John Wiegley
2016-11-16  4:13                       ` Joseph Mingrone
2016-11-16 14:27                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-12-25 20:43                       ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-11 19:01               ` Sam Steingold
2016-11-12  1:02                 ` Stefan Huchler
2016-11-12 22:25                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-12  0:54               ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-12 22:30                 ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-10  1:51           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-10  1:57           ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-10  3:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-10  9:33               ` Toon Claes
2016-11-10 15:57                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-10 16:27                   ` Toon Claes
2016-11-10 17:19                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-12  7:04                       ` Toon Claes
2016-11-12  7:47                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-01-04 21:35                       ` Toon Claes
2016-11-10 13:58               ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-10 16:02                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-11-09  1:37       ` John Wiegley
2016-11-09  3:06       ` Perry E. Metzger
2016-11-10  0:23         ` Richard Stallman
2016-11-10  1:18           ` John Mastro

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