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From: Mark Oteiza <mvoteiza@udel.edu>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Friendly discussion about (package-initialize)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2017 21:14:01 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878tiqkism.fsf@holos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv1sojyv25.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 10 Aug 2017 17:29:00 -0400")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>>> - subverts `package-load-list' settings
>>> I don't know what this problem is.
>> package-load-list controls which autoload files for installed packages
>> get loaded.  Setting it in init.el works until package.el clobbers
>> the init file, putting package-initialize first.
>
> I see.
>
> I doubt this corner case affects many people, since I think users who mess
> with package-load-list are likely to have a .emacs complex enough that
> it already includes a call to package-initialize.
>
> In any case it's a one-time problem.

It's a one-time problem _if_ the user figures out that
package-initialize needs to go after it--so ensure-init-file still fails
to solve the problem that there are cases where the user needs to
understand package.el

It's not a corner case.  It's a documented use case of package.el.

Sure, `package-load-list' is arguably less likely to be changed, but
tons of people change `package-archives' to use 3rdp packages, and these
users are at the core of the argument for this misfeature.  Either
variable being in the wrong position relative to package-initialize
breaks things.



  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-11  1:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-07  0:37 Friendly discussion about (package-initialize) Radon Rosborough
2017-08-07  1:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-07  2:16   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-07  2:44     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-07  4:12       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-09 20:24         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-10  3:32           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10  4:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-10  4:39               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10  7:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-10 17:06                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 19:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-10 19:31                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 20:00                       ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-11  6:14                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-11  1:25                     ` Nick Helm
2017-08-11 21:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-09 20:35         ` Interoperation between package managers (was: Friendly discussion about (package-initialize)) Stefan Monnier
2017-08-10  3:54           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-10 21:34             ` Interoperation between package managers Stefan Monnier
2017-08-11  2:14               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-11 22:05                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-12 17:54                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-12 20:53                     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-08-13 21:43                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-13 21:25                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-13 22:42                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-13 23:32                         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-14  0:29                           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-14  8:02                             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-23 19:39             ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-23 20:58               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 12:36                 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24 20:11                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25 14:31                     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24 15:04               ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-08-24 15:46                 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-07  3:20   ` Friendly discussion about (package-initialize) Noam Postavsky
2017-08-07  4:14   ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-08  0:47     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-10 20:15       ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-10 21:29         ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-11  1:14           ` Mark Oteiza [this message]
2017-08-11  8:03             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-07  6:52 ` Colin Baxter

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