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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:219618 Archived-At: Cl=C3=A9ment Pit-Claudel writes: > On 2017-10-14 12:29, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: >>> On 14 October 2017 at 09:00, Eli Zaretskii wrote: =E2=80= =8B >>> See =E2=80=8B >>> http://www.flycheck.org/en/latest/user/flycheck-versus-flymake.html#fly= check-versus-flymake >>> =E2=80=8B >>=20 >> That page is now completely outdated [...] please don't advertise a=20 >> misleading comparison. > > That's a strong statement, and I don't think it's fair: this page is > intended to help users chose between Flycheck and Flymake *now*. I don't know if we agree, but to me, "misleading" is not the same as "ill-intentioned": I don't think I in any way implied that the page, its authors or its proponents are or have ever been ill-intentioned (and for the record, I don't believe so). I just don't think it makes any sense to advertise that comparison and/or to make any decisions based on it right now. You must agree that decisions are things that affect the future and that when they are based on outdated information, they have a higher probability of being misled. So that's why I characterized the page as "misleading" and that's why I politely asked Reuben to stop advertising it. > Your Flymake update hasn't been released yet, so an update to that > page comparing against the unreleased Flymake would mislead readers > into thinking that Flymake can do more for them that it really can at > this point. I also didn't ask anyone to update the page, though I volunteered to help. Again, I just asked to stop advertising it as a decision-making premise and explained why. > We do have a serious interest in updating it :) Could you help? I can certainly fill in the gaps that aren't clear from the Flymake manual, if you have already read it. > I'd love to mention that a new release of FLymake, fixing most of > these deficiencies, is in the works. I think that this very phrase added somewhere visible is just fine, with optional love of course :-) Jo=C3=A3o