From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Fix some tooltip related problems Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:57:38 +0100 Message-ID: <878td318od.fsf@gmail.com> References: <5A533FA4.4030507@gmx.at> <9384bae5-cbb9-4b4d-ac5c-1d01f01c8117@default> <5A53B633.5020706@gmx.at> <41d40db5-15d8-4b2c-a058-fb6dabc8bfd3@default> <5A548E7E.2040601@gmx.at> <5A55E8ED.1010602@gmx.at> <475d480b-3885-4779-ae46-09cf7fbbcee7@default> <5A5742E7.3070303@gmx.at> <5A5799A5.1070305@gmx.at> <878td4fh4r.fsf@gmail.com> <83a7xk46pp.fsf@gnu.org> <874lnrfp1n.fsf@gmail.com> <83h8rr2ygt.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1515765360 14144 195.159.176.226 (12 Jan 2018 13:56:00 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2018 13:56:00 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.90 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 12 14:55:56 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1eZzoJ-0003FF-Ls for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 14:55:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43322 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZzqH-0002dc-NL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:57:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49037) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZzq5-0002b8-L0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:57:49 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZzq2-0003wX-H2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:57:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wm0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c09::233]:42343) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1eZzq2-0003vm-9l; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 08:57:42 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wm0-x233.google.com with SMTP id b141so12378366wme.1; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:57:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=P2RElNQOAGeITIf109UDXKi8lEXcPW3O2OMjPfnCmh0=; b=t3D3xlBuqbbpHQQ6qoafGi0LRd+QGtsHGBiMEwUP9oyA6z87UOm/Pr5Y3TI2NBYU49 PMjJ4ZWEmqkF0mrU5U4sNL6/Cfx2+jgnkq5iLgw7U84doVWCj0XCynqAupde+Jm48iGV EWxDaX8nWlfds16ddo0ZiqUSFpdKx35zXzwhgQqFcsLoXmypGDl+daQpFL35LAxFpxgm 8eiJJx4JhYVNOrBUyTsA4M0oV84ii1CA/79n4oSgMIZ1EOuUmb/Ajb+Sk9lq7fY6UcXU DxZoBr2+Ar/2paGz012HqGrMCItUUU3OYvVrGNgNyR2zr+xVOkgfc1N923tg5FbKYVsC aMuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references :gmane-reply-to-list:date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent :mime-version; bh=P2RElNQOAGeITIf109UDXKi8lEXcPW3O2OMjPfnCmh0=; b=CBs0K7Gcg+g9rKaQHQwDvncHZ2OK50UCTDE6jxQukoy4d2HeLRmGb7RaiLkKFFPheB SmWUWlWs7gZrHlEYNW/zpOH1YLWa6UNwfJIKmKWa0uGiAiTJP5PU4NZpBZCUNX1FI1i5 tqSQfNHm0AjgQ3wz2HCAhg8Nht3meSaoqNBntKz/5dDw4PMCysAW+mHhLSnJGSRLkMfC /SbMy5n9JqsK54yDXVAICN/AuDGfDo2fIqm1Vsl0XkBwbwVnL9BuoYewvBks7KhJIfni cbMnGoQc9BwdeuMYNqP8POxjwBUwWaYzxmcWnC25iWYjFBMPcoJkWvNFg45/nkjbfp4n QOMg== X-Gm-Message-State: AKGB3mLeWWfTSMRmuUqzgBUPAONe0MPeiOtIpdraXOpMWMwhOFVbUUDL V6dO1T2bghbLB0iYSC5iiHCEwJuX X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACJfBouc6K/psfYbNqYdVjjrbk0Ts5Vs5hLtqBlRn3AWNuRIvhmohB/BzGV8cIUhY86bayBW672/yQ== X-Received: by 10.80.170.17 with SMTP id o17mr35409288edc.120.1515765460638; Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:57:40 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from rpluim-ubuntu ([149.5.228.1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f53sm13009301ede.86.2018.01.12.05.57.38 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Jan 2018 05:57:39 -0800 (PST) Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <83h8rr2ygt.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 12 Jan 2018 11:55:14 +0200") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c09::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:221890 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> OK. But if we stop supporting GTK at some point, what ends up being >> its replacement? I doubt we'll be able to support Lucid and Motif >> forever, given that X is going to be replaced with Wayland. > > We should indeed move to supporting Wayland natively; volunteers are > most welcome to work on that. The Cairo support was supposed to be > the first step in that direction, but it has known bugs and needs a > lot of loving care for us to be able to turn it on by default. > Working on this requires to have experts on board that we > unfortunately don't seem to have at this time, and that gap bothers me > personally quite a lot, because I think it's a serious threat to > Emacs's future. I'm unclear as to how we could 'support Wayland natively' without using some kind of toolkit for menus, scrollbars, etc. Robert