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* Re: emacs-26 275e735: More changes in the Emacs manuals
       [not found] ` <20180219161444.4763E20A22@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
@ 2018-02-19 16:50   ` Robert Pluim
  2018-02-19 17:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2018-02-19 16:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: emacs-devel; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii

eliz@gnu.org (Eli Zaretskii) writes:

>    You can use a numeric argument before a self-inserting character to
>  insert multiple copies of it.  This is straightforward when the
> -character is not a digit; for example, @kbd{C-u 6 4 a} inserts 64
> +character is not a digit; for example, @w{@kbd{C-u 6 4 a}} inserts 64
>  copies of the character @samp{a}.  But this does not work for
> -inserting digits; @kbd{C-u 6 4 1} specifies an argument of 641.  You
> -can separate the argument from the digit to insert with another
> -@kbd{C-u}; for example, @kbd{C-u 6 4 C-u 1} does insert 64 copies of
> -the character @samp{1}.
> +inserting digits; @w{@kbd{C-u 6 4 1}} specifies an argument of 641.
> +You can separate the argument from the digit to insert with another
> +@kbd{C-u}; for example, @w{@kbd{C-u 6 4 C-u 1}} does insert 64 copies
> +of the character @samp{1}.
>

'does insert' => 'inserts'. There's no contrasting with a previous
'does not' phrase going on.

>    The @dfn{state} of the group indicates whether setting in that group
> -has been edited, set or saved.  @xref{Changing a Variable}.
> +has been edited, set, or saved.  @xref{Changing a Variable}.

Are we standardising on the Oxford comma now? I heartily approve.

Robert



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* Re: emacs-26 275e735: More changes in the Emacs manuals
  2018-02-19 16:50   ` emacs-26 275e735: More changes in the Emacs manuals Robert Pluim
@ 2018-02-19 17:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-02-19 17:46       ` Robert Pluim
  2018-02-20  0:44       ` Richard Stallman
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-02-19 17:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: emacs-devel

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:50:59 +0100
> 
> >    You can use a numeric argument before a self-inserting character to
> >  insert multiple copies of it.  This is straightforward when the
> > -character is not a digit; for example, @kbd{C-u 6 4 a} inserts 64
> > +character is not a digit; for example, @w{@kbd{C-u 6 4 a}} inserts 64
> >  copies of the character @samp{a}.  But this does not work for
> > -inserting digits; @kbd{C-u 6 4 1} specifies an argument of 641.  You
> > -can separate the argument from the digit to insert with another
> > -@kbd{C-u}; for example, @kbd{C-u 6 4 C-u 1} does insert 64 copies of
> > -the character @samp{1}.
> > +inserting digits; @w{@kbd{C-u 6 4 1}} specifies an argument of 641.
> > +You can separate the argument from the digit to insert with another
> > +@kbd{C-u}; for example, @w{@kbd{C-u 6 4 C-u 1}} does insert 64 copies
> > +of the character @samp{1}.
> >
> 
> 'does insert' => 'inserts'. There's no contrasting with a previous
> 'does not' phrase going on.

Yes, there is such a contrast: note the "does not work" part.

> >    The @dfn{state} of the group indicates whether setting in that group
> > -has been edited, set or saved.  @xref{Changing a Variable}.
> > +has been edited, set, or saved.  @xref{Changing a Variable}.
> 
> Are we standardising on the Oxford comma now? I heartily approve.

Ah, so that's what it's called...



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* Re: emacs-26 275e735: More changes in the Emacs manuals
  2018-02-19 17:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-02-19 17:46       ` Robert Pluim
  2018-02-19 18:28         ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-02-20  0:44       ` Richard Stallman
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2018-02-19 17:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: emacs-devel

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:50:59 +0100
>> 
>> >    You can use a numeric argument before a self-inserting character to
>> >  insert multiple copies of it.  This is straightforward when the
>> > -character is not a digit; for example, @kbd{C-u 6 4 a} inserts 64
>> > +character is not a digit; for example, @w{@kbd{C-u 6 4 a}} inserts 64
>> >  copies of the character @samp{a}.  But this does not work for
>> > -inserting digits; @kbd{C-u 6 4 1} specifies an argument of 641.  You
>> > -can separate the argument from the digit to insert with another
>> > -@kbd{C-u}; for example, @kbd{C-u 6 4 C-u 1} does insert 64 copies of
>> > -the character @samp{1}.
>> > +inserting digits; @w{@kbd{C-u 6 4 1}} specifies an argument of 641.
>> > +You can separate the argument from the digit to insert with another
>> > +@kbd{C-u}; for example, @w{@kbd{C-u 6 4 C-u 1}} does insert 64 copies
>> > +of the character @samp{1}.
>> >
>> 
>> 'does insert' => 'inserts'. There's no contrasting with a previous
>> 'does not' phrase going on.
>
> Yes, there is such a contrast: note the "does not work" part.
>

If it said 'does not insert' I'd agree with you.



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* Re: emacs-26 275e735: More changes in the Emacs manuals
  2018-02-19 17:46       ` Robert Pluim
@ 2018-02-19 18:28         ` Eli Zaretskii
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-02-19 18:28 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: emacs-devel

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 18:46:06 +0100
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> >> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 17:50:59 +0100
> >> 
> >> >    You can use a numeric argument before a self-inserting character to
> >> >  insert multiple copies of it.  This is straightforward when the
> >> > -character is not a digit; for example, @kbd{C-u 6 4 a} inserts 64
> >> > +character is not a digit; for example, @w{@kbd{C-u 6 4 a}} inserts 64
> >> >  copies of the character @samp{a}.  But this does not work for
> >> > -inserting digits; @kbd{C-u 6 4 1} specifies an argument of 641.  You
> >> > -can separate the argument from the digit to insert with another
> >> > -@kbd{C-u}; for example, @kbd{C-u 6 4 C-u 1} does insert 64 copies of
> >> > -the character @samp{1}.
> >> > +inserting digits; @w{@kbd{C-u 6 4 1}} specifies an argument of 641.
> >> > +You can separate the argument from the digit to insert with another
> >> > +@kbd{C-u}; for example, @w{@kbd{C-u 6 4 C-u 1}} does insert 64 copies
> >> > +of the character @samp{1}.
> >> >
> >> 
> >> 'does insert' => 'inserts'. There's no contrasting with a previous
> >> 'does not' phrase going on.
> >
> > Yes, there is such a contrast: note the "does not work" part.
> >
> 
> If it said 'does not insert' I'd agree with you.

It does say that, albeit not literally:

  You can use [...] to insert [...].  But this does not work for
  inserting [...].  You can [...] insert with another 'C-u'; for
  example, 'C-u 6 4 C-u 1' does insert [...].

Sounds pretty clear to me what is being contrasted with what.



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* Re: emacs-26 275e735: More changes in the Emacs manuals
  2018-02-19 17:09     ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-02-19 17:46       ` Robert Pluim
@ 2018-02-20  0:44       ` Richard Stallman
  2018-02-20  3:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-02-20 11:36         ` Robert Pluim
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2018-02-20  0:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: rpluim, emacs-devel

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I don't think we should "standardize" on the Oxford comma.
It is a matter of judgment.  In this particular case, it seems
to read ok either way.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org)
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* Re: emacs-26 275e735: More changes in the Emacs manuals
  2018-02-20  0:44       ` Richard Stallman
@ 2018-02-20  3:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
  2018-02-20 11:36         ` Robert Pluim
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2018-02-20  3:46 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: rms; +Cc: rpluim, emacs-devel

> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:44:28 -0500
> Cc: rpluim@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> I don't think we should "standardize" on the Oxford comma.
> It is a matter of judgment.  In this particular case, it seems
> to read ok either way.

I changed a few of them, but not all.



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* Re: emacs-26 275e735: More changes in the Emacs manuals
  2018-02-20  0:44       ` Richard Stallman
  2018-02-20  3:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2018-02-20 11:36         ` Robert Pluim
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Robert Pluim @ 2018-02-20 11:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: Eli Zaretskii, emacs-devel

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> I don't think we should "standardize" on the Oxford comma.

There are situations where it removes ambiguity, which is why I like
it. I'm not advocating retroactively updating all the current uses.

Robert



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