From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17872: 24.4.50; "primitive" in (elisp) `Advising Functions' and similar nodes Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:56:45 +0200 Message-ID: <878ss9b0ua.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="154097"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 17872@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Aug 04 13:57:11 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1huF8P-000dx7-GA for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:57:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43816 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huF8O-0004oy-IO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:57:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39969) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huF8J-0004ok-Oi for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:57:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1huF8I-000692-IX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:57:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:51884) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1huF8I-00068v-FR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:57:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huF8I-0002NT-DB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:57:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 11:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17872 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 17872-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17872.15649198109103 (code B ref 17872); Sun, 04 Aug 2019 11:57:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17872) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2019 11:56:50 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60702 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huF86-0002Ml-Kv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:56:50 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:36296) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1huF85-0002Me-Tu for 17872@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 07:56:50 -0400 Original-Received: from 77.18.62.220.tmi.telenormobil.no ([77.18.62.220] helo=sandy) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1huF82-00074R-6h; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 13:56:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 29 Jun 2014 07:35:37 -0700 (PDT)") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:164552 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: > Please use some other term than "primitive" for what is intended here. > The term "primitive" already has a different meaning in Emacs, which you > can find by using `i primitive RET' in the Elisp manual: > > "primitive" > A function which is callable from Lisp but is actually written in > C. Primitives are also called "built-in functions", or "subrs". > Examples include functions like `car' and `append'. In addition, > all special forms (see below) are also considered primitives. Are you referring to (for instance) this text? --- Emacs's advice system provides two sets of primitives for that: the core set, for function values held in variables and object fields (with the corresponding primitives being @code{add-function} and @code{remove-function}) and another set layered on top of it for named functions (with the main primitives being @code{advice-add} and @code{advice-remove}). --- Nowhere in this node (and the subsequent nodes) is the word "primitive" used in reference to a function or the like, but in the phrase "Core Advising Primitives" or similar. I don't think there's much scope for confusion with the other use of the word, so I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no