From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20780: 25.0.50; explain where to find skeletons in autotype info manual Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 05:46:29 +0200 Message-ID: <878spuvawa.fsf@gnus.org> References: <86eglkvlc8.fsf@members.fsf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="266714"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: 20780@debbugs.gnu.org To: Nicolas Richard Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 09 18:10:42 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iIEXx-0017F6-KE for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 18:10:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52018 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iIEXv-0001Ul-Rj for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 12:10:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51629) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iI2wK-0001ec-Qx for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 23:47:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iI2wJ-0007AU-Lt for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 23:47:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43002) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iI2wJ-0007AI-IS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 23:47:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iI2wH-0008HU-Tz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 23:47:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2019 03:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20780 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 20780-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20780.157059279530442 (code B ref 20780); Wed, 09 Oct 2019 03:47:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20780) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2019 03:46:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51823 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iI2vr-0007ud-9h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 23:46:35 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:52148) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iI2vq-0007sw-19 for 20780@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2019 23:46:34 -0400 Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iI2vm-0002Bj-4q; Wed, 09 Oct 2019 05:46:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86eglkvlc8.fsf@members.fsf.org> (Nicolas Richard's message of "Tue, 09 Jun 2015 19:32:39 +0200") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:168697 Archived-At: Nicolas Richard writes: > I was trying to find a template/skeleton mechanism, and that leads to > (info "(emacs) Text") : >> The =E2=80=9Cautomatic typing=E2=80=9D features may be useful when wr= iting text. >> *note The Autotype Manual: (autotype)Top. > > Following through to the autotype info page, I'm a bit disappointed > because the manual explains how skeletons can: > - accept input in section 1, > - be modified with prefix arguments in section 2, > - be called as abbrevs in section 3, > and we have to wait section 4 to read about a (quite scary, > IMO) way to define skeletons. I'm now convinced that it is in fact not > expected that the *user* writes her own skeletons. Is that right ? I think that's right. > If that is the case, I suggest to mention that fact right from the > beginning, and maybe explicitly list a few places where skeletons are > actually availables (which key). C-mode is mentionned but from "emacs -Q > -f c-mode" I couldn't find anything in the menu. I wonder why the autotype manual is linked from the Emacs manual at all. It's a very low-level (lispref-like) manual, and doesn't really seem to be something we should steer users towards? --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no