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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247665 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > The reasons why package authors would not want to include it, on the other hand, > could obviously vary. Some of the reasons I have seen are > unfortunately very shallow: > > (1) - Misconceptions about how hard it is to work with emacs-devel. > (2) - An unwillingness to assign copyright to the FSF, seemingly often more due to > inertia than any principled opposition. > (3) - Strongly ideological anti-FSF sentiments (often disguised as "non-ideological" > or "practical"). > > I mean, that's my impression of it, and I'm not pretending that this list is > exhaustive or even generally correct. With Emacs, my experience has been that (1) and (2) are the most common reasons, with (1) being slightly more common. I don't believe I've seen anyone refuse to assign copyright to the FSF over (3) for Emacs packages in a long time.