From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#43887: 28.0.50; in HELLO: Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 23:33:00 +0300 Message-ID: <878sc3b7jv.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <878scd50gg.fsf@gnus.org> <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16381"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Kangas , 43887@debbugs.gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 18 22:35:34 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kUFOw-00049m-JY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 22:35:34 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44570 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUFOv-0003Nr-By for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 16:35:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37684) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUFNS-0001Yx-1s for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 16:34:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:55840) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kUFNR-0000xE-NU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 16:34:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUFNR-0001wE-KA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 16:34:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Juri Linkov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2020 20:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 43887 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: notabug wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 43887-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B43887.16030532177415 (code B ref 43887); Sun, 18 Oct 2020 20:34:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 43887) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2020 20:33:37 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39153 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUFN3-0001vX-BL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 16:33:37 -0400 Original-Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:42223) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kUFMm-0001uz-Qp for 43887@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 16:33:35 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.102.160 Original-Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-102-160.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.102.160]) (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72D50E0004; Sun, 18 Oct 2020 20:33:11 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <20201011124923.GE2923@protected.rcdrun.com> (Jean Louis's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:49:23 +0300") X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:190916 Archived-At: >> >> I see this when HELLO is displayed: >> >> >> >> Javanese (Jawa) System.out.println("Sugeng siang!"); >> > >> > It's a (pretty weak) joke about Java (the computer language) and Jawa >> > (the language). Indeed, that was a stupid joke as these reports indicate. The name of the programming language refers to coffee, not to the language of people inhabiting the island. > From view point of Jawa people, they will probably not understand Java > programming language. > > From view point that Java is large island, with large number of people > there, please see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java reference to 145 > millions, if I would be one of those, I would not understand it, and > we can also think that some could be negatively impacted that their > language is written that way. Thus from their viewpoint, joke could > not be understood. I completely agree. The etc/HELLO was intended to be not a place for dubious jokes, but a file that demonstrates to users that non-ASCII characters of their scripts are supported in Emacs. So for languages whose greetings don't contain non-ASCII letters, such non-ASCII letters are presented in their language names. This is the case for français, español, slovenščina, Türkçe. But there is no point in showing ASCII-only letters for Javanese. So I replaced this line with the proper Javanese script, and now Javanese people will enjoy seeing that their script is supported by Emacs. > I am proposing to make a button on Javanese Jawa line, so that their > Hello remains there, but if user presses the button, that the joke appears. Feel free to add such a button if you want. PS: While at it, I also added support for Belarusian language in etc/HELLO.