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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258209 Archived-At: Boruch Baum writes: > On 2020-10-18 22:40, K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote: >> Boruch Baum writes: >> >> >> and I'm not exactly sure what using Org-mode buys us in this case. >> > >> > For starters: Navigation, expansion and collapse of sections. >> >> FWIW, outline-mode now features section-cycling commands (TAB and S-TAB) >> that are very similar to org-mode's (cf. bug#41130). > > I'm OK with trying to use outline-minor-mode, but didn't see the > features yet in my version of emacs-snapshot. Right, those commands are only bound for the major mode (outline-mode). If section cycling and navigation commands are the main thing drawing you to org-mode for this feature, maybe outline-mode is enough?