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Contovounesios" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: etc/HELLO: On Chinese and Cantonese Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 12:16:32 +0100 Message-ID: <878sbxdwfj.fsf@tcd.ie> References: <87mu0e3giu.fsf@posteo.net> <83wnzil7ki.fsf@gnu.org> <831rhpl9bm.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7772"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: matthewzmd@posteo.net, rms@gnu.org, ksqsf@mail.ustc.edu.cn, eric@ericabrahamsen.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 23 13:28:51 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kVvFb-0001vp-1g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 13:28:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41220 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVvFa-0008IE-0L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 07:28:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50922) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVv3t-0002N0-UO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 07:16:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wr1-x430.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::430]:38226) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kVv3o-0007r5-4g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 07:16:45 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wr1-x430.google.com with SMTP id n18so1369320wrs.5 for ; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 04:16:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tcd-ie.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=7lgcG614UoUqwLg9xW2NUzrCq3zG8bJ5CmCE/SNvLq4=; b=BZvv9RXvg9PGn8rDhiqSmNFrhWv4l8IE1pXEE6+kIPA/JcB2mzRC2uSl/KN9z/26hq JoastCsPQ/n/Cprj/J8mVi57gNwXhpqtB680HOlmriQr8udeiwg8BqpvoWn9BItFYVRv SGwddUv2OIUlky2rjvNe8i9/A2gSi3jmqPDlkEyXy/lwHJrNoWVpOEki1TGlviy7AfSj +W91sfNEx75CflrqUAcFDyyPTgaodVlif/LjtQZ5jQ35jXegqnd/LqLgByIIgOk59727 2281JZcY/5nv9/KuXcTxxIatjfJO6VNagLjE8eyiY4Kgvmy0xnKfXXlqZZeihWQbhPM6 xvFg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=7lgcG614UoUqwLg9xW2NUzrCq3zG8bJ5CmCE/SNvLq4=; b=L/sewn4l4NMuuNzLm4tSc0tO1uuvyLGcxssGuymKCxVMPb32xZDIZMLhqnkrxZZ4nz nYcfEyzsaYx8Nw502izBFLzbZeUHE35MwGAftxrNRFbIVEX5x1MvQTu9O0phdwLMqQBW sNvreE0ob7iKzbXTaBM9rsGHYNKVAkp24mtl2bbltqMbk6aBwzitiIeCFZTKYmKCxeBe vW9tovyDdlhsiddqbPhtTohFaACN9aw2nq6MPKUaLHgkjhFTun6GQHXK0M81Lr/SzPtz 3fRsIi4K5gG3vGiSCWRVLvJwhVTIen+CNyPbRqmcU3AJp9FwhbgbEdiJxPUGOx+2PrvX YGtQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531bo71hYmmlo7r8a2d95vyt6YAnT8swB2c6WxsLjLkYYnBhtNNR OxXj9EPG/PHkF97G+QESDAsIL1Itnq9HdA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyb5EOe1yj95+MjYFbfd7PCQjGcA0cc+bLFZJZe5uCU+OCJH5KfHYt4ozgwGfTSAHtkNtF3Bg== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:5086:: with SMTP id a6mr2028889wrt.283.1603451793870; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 04:16:33 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost ([2a02:8084:20e2:c380:2eb7:a3d:7300:a2fd]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x18sm2997188wrg.4.2020.10.23.04.16.32 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 23 Oct 2020 04:16:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <831rhpl9bm.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 23 Oct 2020 09:56:13 +0300") Received-SPF: none client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::430; envelope-from=contovob@tcd.ie; helo=mail-wr1-x430.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:258346 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > But I'd like to reiterate what I said earlier: I would only remove my > objections for changing this part of HELLO if I hear from a > representative enough group of native Chinese speakers from both sides > of the divide that some change will be acceptable to them, and cause > no controversies on either side. With all due respect, people who > voiced their opinions in this matter till now cannot be considered > such a group. In particular, none of them stated his/her country of > origin and current place of living, nor the cultural group to which he > or she belongs, which makes judging the opinions harder. FWIW, I think Eric is also a literary translator of Chinese. -- Basil