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[95.29.46.69]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e18sm343370lfs.187.2021.09.30.04.40.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 30 Sep 2021 04:40:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?Q?=22Jo=C3=A3o_T=C3=A1vora=22's?= message of "Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:18:41 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::136; envelope-from=andremegafone@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x136.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:275876 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:54 AM Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> > Using grep and tag systems to reason about a Lisp program is like eati= ng >> > soup with a fork. You can do it, but it's the wrong tool. >> >> That is a very negative and unhelpful thing to say. Do you have the >> requisite background to say it? > > Is there a "requisite background" to express opinions on this mailing lis= t? > Must have missed that memo. I believe Alan sensed some gratuitous arrogance in my words, and that's certainly unplesant. The soup joke went perhaps too far.=20=20 I am genuinely interested in discussing the technical side of the issue at hand, not in "shaming" anyone. I'm certainly not an "authority", so expect a humble attitude from my side. --=20 Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World"