From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Pluim Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Any use cases of `iso-transl-language-list'? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:280757 Archived-At: >>>>> On Thu, 02 Dec 2021 16:14:17 +0100, Tor Kringeland said: Tor> Po Lu writes: >> Please do not remove this feature. It is useful for typing German a= nd >> Esperanto text, at the very least. Tor> I concur. For Esperanto and German this is a complete feature, an= d you Tor> could write anything in those languages with these maps and it has Tor> seniority. Tor> However, for Spanish, Portuguese and French this feature is very Tor> incomplete, and I'd argue that it'd be better to either remove this Tor> feature for these languages or somehow extend it to offer full sup= port Tor> (which would be difficult without having the same number of key-st= rokes Tor> as the regular `C-x 8' map). As it is now, it might be misleading= in Tor> that it implies support for the character support of said language= s, Tor> while in reality it's only one character for each language that sa= ves Tor> one key-stroke. Also, for Spanish "=C2=A1" and "=C2=BF" can be in= put the same way Tor> without activating this map. For eg French I don=CA=BCt see how to disambiguate eg =C3=A9 and =C3=A8 wit= h a single key without trampling on something else (assuming a US-ASCII style keyboard). And those are already available on C-x 8 ' e and C-x 8 ` e, so I don=CA=BCt know what you think is misleading. Tor> IMO seniority is not sufficient justification for keeping "support= " for Tor> these languages around, at least in the current incomplete state. As others have said: they=CA=BCre not causing any harm. Tor> Could we at least mention input methods in the docstrings here, and Tor> perhaps the issues around greater support? Input methods, yes. You'll have to expand on what you think these 'issues around greater support' are. Robert --=20