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Sun, 27 Feb 2022 04:54:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83leyfq9ff.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 13 Feb 2022 13:43:00 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1RzUbOk2lZ4GCeE2kIka7QMviAjRE+ZZWazAF2Spn7Qf2BJl3F1 irc8joIuU2Qjt9NhERKezgaQJmdBkXCmyf+HAGih4XWgMAEzLScPsFFACUTpnB87I+Fvzbl k3yWG0Yn6jxm+7WufCqiBC8VqXkKy2/NlNN3NwqjBm6CNLUVYOflNeBPIWnrswWlxhWb/3J YQuVoI5CU+iqYsBpW9PBQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:GOh51sHoiAg=:YhouMVKbR+/FiO9/ZH13fo nI1JNQT4ZYMC3y8C7mfMkWOkOdZyLenfQ01A1ct3qgHeVKiw0/T6TrgNdKWJV/MD6wqNQ9gbu lZDxc+9odQdA+JSek3apdqEb+ylK6hL98MxE4ouOnqH6592Uy5WLpUDj0BiEPFSAdVDPXnb/e AW+OFwYTYVco6QbxVzbsvOtJHBW3itnMUNb4Q2bY+gXzhAPyaicE/vcIDOCuRQKG8Fs2D66KQ 4Ysk65ziCIYeM31sGLp9r/8jdmespSA6gfadFcZf3ZQUIfVINcUwcAkyqR8+Dj/BodZb0MIx+ mMKP76rPesx0tKyb3RADh2a8eVpnVEV0o6kmZctXnAP9+oWoPoQUv1xxsQHDL3g7vRP8pipFl ARE6cFQiH1aBxg0DqktlALkv1vEwmcdZD/SElECi6mhO1BHUMHb/tIHIMxfib3xI1y+uSWBGY Netd+RIAnVFbzuPeBNgB6z5M4fNOC1bWgeriMH6jlFIRg86ndTgY7ckL373zU7Mb2T5FnrE1z jX7aWRFtGn6/59nRoAvFCbt/vDG7HyKtc/OdHa37RfEsHcQxIhviVwELoLFZGI8AnYb6y7ZFA daIL1ZQhB3XlU0ItH4SB01rVEQAgv/n9OlOgUCOOh80HvOCs1uKjNgOCaLxRztXrGYtdXshUj 1qOHSaRmFO5JeJNfxQOjiwgZ53WZHrIpPcqTkFOZp0SplVCmKEP4ri7ZOZKl/fhCPIwCe0pqR PQ3NvsYm4e2sSdrecR56sSMswrHgo3KEcSXA3pkiIPvc6sHQlroRQGxff6FD3D8tahNc79FZ X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:227696 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Please feel free to submit changes to relevant modes and features to > use this new variable. I use them only very infrequently, and am not > annoyed by the issues that started this bug report, so I'm not a good > candidate for suggesting such changes or testing them in Real Life. > (I thought as soon as the new variable is demonstrated to be able to > solve those issues, the patches to the relevant applications will > follow immediately, either by Evgeni or by you.) But what when I do not what to scroll? > > BTW, did you ever use folding? I think not as often as I do, else you > > would have known the issue we are talking about. My feedback was not > > meant to annoy you - I wanted to share my experience as a user. Didn'= t > > know that that's irrelevant. > > It was hardly perceived as irrelevant: I spent some non-trivial time > working on this, which I wouldn't do if I haven't thought this is > relevant and worth working on. I was referring to my latest feedback telling that scrolling is suboptimal in my experience in this case, not to the conversation before that. > > > Bottom line: I think this bug should be closed, as the original issu= es > > > were all resolved. If you disagree, I guess I'll let Lars close it = in > > > about 10 years from now. > > > > I don't even know what to respond to that. > > Sadly, it looks like I can never disagree with you without annoying > you to the extreme. Happens all the time. What am I doing wrong? It's not only me - that ever happens only when talking to you. Please stay friendly and if you don't agree with what I say, at least tell me. And tell me that a solution without scrolling involved is not possible, and why, or why you think that scrolling is unavoidable. You said it can't be avoided when we do something in the display engine. Then maybe we should do it in a different way? Would that be ok for you? If not, why? > Am I not entitled to my own opinions about how things should be done > in Emacs? There are other ways to express them. This is not about different opinions. To be honest, I don't know a lot about your opinion here. I would if you had given me feedback about the problem with scrolling I had raised. That message was not a friendly or neutral response, at least the part about the alternative would be to tell Lars to close the report in 10 years. Or was it? You just ignored what I said and told the bug should be closed. If you intended to say something different, I don't know, I can only answer and react to what you wrote. Saying "Bug should be closed" without replying to mentioned problems just sounds like "the discussion is over". Michael.