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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296975 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: > That makes the fans less loud (they are still noticable), but it also > takes twice as long for the fans to subside, as expected. > > Hope this data point ends up meaningful. Yes. Software is distributed pre-compiled for a reason -- because people run the software on hardware where compiling the software takes a long time. It's entirely reasonable for people to want to have a fully-built native-compiled Emacs installation on their laptops, without making that Emacs do any further JIT compilation. (Except where necessary for trampolines, of course.) This has been requested a number of times over several years now, but these requests have been ignored because apparently "people shouldn't want that".