From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL packages landed Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2022 10:56:53 +0000 Message-ID: <878rl8p1my.fsf@posteo.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10592"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 22 13:13:06 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1omCR8-0002YY-Nk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 13:13:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1omCBm-0002Bn-B8; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 06:57:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1omCBY-00029Z-RT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 06:57:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1omCBU-0006Wk-NY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 06:56:59 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33800240101 for ; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 12:56:54 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1666436214; bh=NDfw51LmLUDraDi4N1k7RjaumlTqHEJrYgNGst8IrIg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=ej+giAhirOO/KaqYjb6nAKfGrrA72195+L93GSl2r0RnPKSNLTb6b3u/twhxqMNL1 yQQloAT7N7Vh1us/6KIxlELns1oHXKPdhDl+AxEj4+1dthGWupoEKC9hArn84PmOC9 a3+FPW1mGzUbMI6zaGAQiUEuUqbbWZnRCL4XYQf9HMPJ0fjuYM2qRK6lPv7W8XciXG o4etmz2n3BsEpgWjJbHVIJIeidUuCPWg9M9NC9ZRjMi+KkCGDs5ALh+JHSr68fw3Vy 9JLvAPR6whhhwdjnlsKo9stkECxcP7qsaGLkSPN/ZAUvNo3uBe1TjrznbDUqMhjLFK UijZGLNQXuWXA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4MvdZF4LlHz9rxQ; Sat, 22 Oct 2022 12:56:53 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: ("Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llman?= =?utf-8?Q?n=22's?= message of "Fri, 21 Oct 2022 06:47:05 +0200") Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:298268 Archived-At: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: > I've pushed the branch "pkg" which implements CL packages for Emacs. > > Before Someone (tm) gets the idea of blowing up something like Internet > cables instead of pipelines, or we have blackouts here, or whatever, I > thought I'd better make this accessible. I am very glad to see this! Could you comment on what larger influence with might have on Emacs Lisp as a language. E.g. in bug#57907 there was a discussion how adding keyword support for cl-loop was not necessary for Emacs Lisp, but now that symbol packages might become a thing, would that have to change? How would the support look like from a backwards compatibility perspective? I am assuming all old code would be loaded into the default packages, right?