From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Android port of Emacs Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 14:17:34 +0200 Message-ID: <878rc95a1t.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <83edmask4z.fsf@gnu.org> <5c02371a-3c42-de66-70b7-4ed0d88cc3fa@gutov.dev> <87cz1td0ku.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cz1ta5fr.fsf@telefonica.net> <87edm645yy.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20834"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 24 14:18:40 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qD2Dv-00059l-Qr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2023 14:18:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qD2DF-0001b3-0S; Sat, 24 Jun 2023 08:17:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qD2D3-0001ab-1e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2023 08:17:45 -0400 Original-Received: from relayout02.e.movistar.es ([86.109.101.202] helo=relayout02-redir.e.movistar.es) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qD2D0-00034D-AA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2023 08:17:44 -0400 Original-Received: from sky (95.red-83-37-210.dynamicip.rima-tde.net [83.37.210.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: 981711563@telefonica.net) by relayout02.e.movistar.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4QpCmH27wVzdb1s; Sat, 24 Jun 2023 14:17:35 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <87edm645yy.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Tue, 20 Jun 2023 21:29:41 +0800") X-TnetOut-Country: IP: 83.37.210.95 | Country: ES X-TnetOut-Information: AntiSPAM and AntiVIRUS on relayout02 X-TnetOut-MsgID: 4QpCmH27wVzdb1s.AEC97 X-TnetOut-SpamCheck: no es spam, clean X-TnetOut-From: ofv@wanadoo.es X-TnetOut-Watermark: 1688213856.14218@07Az0/OZgvhCE99RG19r4w Received-SPF: softfail client-ip=86.109.101.202; envelope-from=ofv@wanadoo.es; helo=relayout02-redir.e.movistar.es X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307177 Archived-At: Po Lu writes: >> That said, if my understanding is correct, the port suffers from a >> serious limitation (imposed by Android, of course) in that the user >> can't install binaries and use them from Emacs on the usual way. An >> Emacs that can't invoke git, gcc... is of little use to me, although I'm >> sure that many users will find the port extremely convenient (Org users, >> for instance.) Emacs on Termux has no such limitation, but it has its >> own problems, starting with a terrible user interface. > > The issues with installing and running binaries has been completely > solved: in fact, it is possible to build the entire Termux binary > repositories with the prefix changed to `org.gnu.emacs', and to run > the programs built directly from inside Emacs. Building those binaries (and its dependencies) can be quite a chore. So let's reverse the relation: can your port be built (toggling some configure options, for instance) so it can be packaged as a regular Termux binary? Which means that when executed from Termux the user would have a "native" Android Emacs with access to all those external binaries distributed by Termux. Please excuse me if this question was already answered elsewhere, but IMAO it is a very important point to clarify, as it would have a big impact on usability.