From: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net>
To: uzibalqa <uzibalqa@proton.me>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Pressing ? does not allow window scrolling through the list of info commands
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2023 23:58:44 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <878rbridt7.fsf@rub.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <p2PYCIh1XHUl48aR-KF-_J--A8UTf77sVgjHdcc_3eO_ro7MeXLOLR8fpSqhoqrTsjjWpmo6mb8M7qt9dsBSF1OwyVSokMENBh1wmQSz4Xc=@proton.me> (uzibalqa@proton.me's message of "Fri, 07 Jul 2023 19:11:01 +0000")
On Fri, 07 Jul 2023 19:11:01 +0000 uzibalqa <uzibalqa@proton.me> wrote:
> ------- Original Message -------
> On Saturday, July 8th, 2023 at 7:06 AM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>
>> > From: Yuri Khan yuri.v.khan@gmail.com
>> > Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 01:28:29 +0700
>> > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
>> >
>> > On Fri, 7 Jul 2023 at 13:39, Eli Zaretskii eliz@gnu.org wrote:
>> >
>> > > > However, what is the reason for that event loop?
>> > >
>> > > The reason is to allow return to the manual with minimal fuss. As the
>> > > user who invokes "?" is very likely to be a newbie to Emacs, having
>> > > them to deal with buffers and windows at this point is unwise, to say
>> > > the least.
>> >
>> > ‘help-mode-map’ has ‘q’ bound to ‘quit-window’ and that’s the minimal
>> > fuss way to return from the help window. It also would help build
>> > habits that work with a wide set of buffers in Emacs.
>>
>>
>> And how will we tell the user that 'q' quits? In the echo-area,
>> perhaps?
>>
>> > As it is, the user has to build three sets of habits: (1) for the
>> > rudimentary Info-summary modal event loop where SPC scrolls up and
>> > anything else quits; (2) for modes that inherit from special-mode
>> > where SPC scrolls up, DEL and S-SPC scroll down, ‘q’ quits, and all
>> > familiar keys work; and (3) for the full experience editable buffers
>> > where you have to scroll with Page Up/Down and have no notion of
>> > quitting.
>>
>>
>> You exaggerate the problem. A typical user of computers these days
>> needs much more than 3 sets of habits for similar actions. And
>> scrolling with SPC in Emacs is quite a widely-used paradigm.
>
> How does one scroll up again, it is not evident how.
At the risk of making another least useful response, note that typing
`C-h m' in info-mode displays the normal *Help* buffer (buried by `q'
and scrollable with keyboard and mouse) containing the exact content of
the special modal *Help* buffer displayed by typing `?' in info-mode.
Of course, the *Help* buffer displayed by `C-h m' (describe-mode) also
contains information about the minor modes active in the info-mode
buffer, so it's not as streamlined as the buffer displayed by `?', but
it is navigable in the usual ways.
Steve Berman
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-07-07 21:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-07-07 0:37 Pressing ? does not allow window scrolling through the list of info commands uzibalqa
2023-07-07 5:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 6:00 ` Yuri Khan
2023-07-07 6:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 11:38 ` uzibalqa
2023-07-07 11:40 ` uzibalqa
2023-07-07 12:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 13:03 ` uzibalqa
2023-07-07 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 13:46 ` uzibalqa
2023-07-07 15:03 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-07-07 14:58 ` Drew Adams
2023-07-07 15:04 ` uzibalqa
2023-07-07 14:51 ` Drew Adams
2023-07-07 18:28 ` Yuri Khan
2023-07-07 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 19:11 ` uzibalqa
2023-07-07 21:58 ` Stephen Berman [this message]
2023-07-07 19:34 ` Yuri Khan
2023-07-07 19:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 19:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-07 19:57 ` Jean Louis
2023-07-07 20:07 ` uzibalqa
2023-07-07 20:11 ` Yuri Khan
2023-07-07 20:19 ` uzibalqa
2023-07-07 19:48 ` uzibalqa
2023-07-07 19:08 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-07-07 19:31 ` Jean Louis
2023-07-07 11:30 ` uzibalqa
2023-07-07 12:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
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