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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
To: Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist (was: ox-latex language handling in Org-9.5 vs 9.6)
Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 09:05:45 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878r9biwwm.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <udnheh$c9o$1@ciao.gmane.io>

Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com> writes:

>> It is already a public constant. And I see no strong reason to change
>> this (strong enough to justify breaking change).
>
> Every piece of code accessing this public constant must implement 
> fallback from e.g. "de-ch" (or de_CH) to "de". Or to "en" for an 
> unsupported language. To achieve consistent behavior it is better to 
> provide a helper function.

Not necessarily. I mostly thought about some unconventional code that
uses the constant for some reason unexpected to us. We do not want to
break that.

Helper function is certainly a good idea. I did plan for it.

>>> I have a hope that properties may be generated from CLDR data, LaTeX
>>> babel .ini files, etc. However it should be possible to override
>>> specific properties.
>> 
>> For context, I plan to provide a global language-identifier alist that
>> will link human-readable language names to abbreviations like "de",
>> "de-de", etc.
>
> This languange-region identifiers may be written in different way 
> (dash/underscore, case), but they are used specify POSIX locale LANG, 
> LC_* and extensions like LANGUAGE, so in some cases human friendly names 
> may be less convenient.

Sorry, but I do not follow you about the downsides of "human friendly" names.

>> Though I am not sure if we can easily handle tricky
>> cases like weird installation directory for TeXLive or MikTeX.
>
> kpsewhich babel-de.ini

which may not be in the PATH.

> /usr/share/texlive/texmf-dist/tex/generic/babel/locale/de/babel-de.ini

which is not true on Guix, or when installed under /opt via make install.

I did not mean the conventional distros that follow conventional naming
schemes, but the edge cases - I see no point adding automation just to
fight various non-standard user installations later. It will not make
maintenance any easier.

-- 
Ihor Radchenko // yantar92,
Org mode contributor,
Learn more about Org mode at <https://orgmode.org/>.
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  reply	other threads:[~2023-09-12  9:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-06 14:55 ox-latex language handling in Org-9.5 vs 9.6 Max Nikulin
2023-09-06 22:20 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-07 10:38   ` Max Nikulin
2023-09-07 11:50   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-07 14:19     ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-07 14:49       ` Max Nikulin
2023-09-08 10:30         ` Max Nikulin
2023-09-08 14:42           ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-08 19:02             ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist (was: ox-latex language handling in Org-9.5 vs 9.6) Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-09  9:11               ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 10:36                 ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-09 11:33                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-09 23:59                     ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-10  7:55                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-10 11:06                         ` Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-10 13:36                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-10 16:15                 ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist (was: ox-latex language handling in Org-9.5 vs 9.6) Max Nikulin
2023-09-10 16:52                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-10 21:15                     ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-11  8:32                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-11 17:06                     ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist (was: ox-latex language handling in Org-9.5 vs 9.6) Max Nikulin
2023-09-12  9:05                       ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2023-09-12 15:22                         ` Max Nikulin
2023-09-12 18:12                           ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist Juan Manuel Macías
2023-09-15  9:54                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-09-15  9:51                           ` [patch] Fixes and improvements in org-latex-language-alist (was: ox-latex language handling in Org-9.5 vs 9.6) Ihor Radchenko

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