From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?Juan_Manuel_Mac=C3=ADas?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Writting Greek in Emacs Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2024 20:41:16 +0000 Message-ID: <878qux57rn.fsf@posteo.net> References: <874j5ql4pd.fsf@posteo.net> <87a5fdhlyg.fsf@thanosapollo.org> <87wmih6xa7.fsf@posteo.net> <877cahxffi.fsf@thanosapollo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5600"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Thanos Apollo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 09 22:42:16 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sydVf-0001I2-T5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 22:42:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sydUw-0007iC-D2; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:41:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sydUt-0007hw-U2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:41:27 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sydUr-0001qy-Pr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2024 16:41:27 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58B40240101 for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2024 22:41:22 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1728506482; bh=JAICvDYaDDHSz3a0vNofMaXZpf3fLlRR3F/oW+WtLdk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From; b=UY/Z4RwlgVNVuniDIy/1Z665l5K1xDkvquzCVwN12sTLtyKAMfRxFr+TBGVipfn2L dMy17er2dMmqUy0xSmOqqXLO0sQ7Z0fRsnAQgO3+kh3Ix1e4hC/SuPzr8oNg1n15m9 kSCaB8zILFhQUkKpMDZmZASj9HlcdtDmBpH/JpJbAQCmVCX+tYiMz6Vf6GtNvznlxD kHyhPDMNGJ+088syZouNTSRquWM/WUrqv37eGBytuYuPV4tFOO1xDtoOKWK/EcrlWC HCZuIMkB6dDv6+YFhpUugbtpjmIu5avQdlBdZpo2+aZs6Uex0u2pc7FUmSPotyfy2Q XS2mj7ArpJlJA== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4XP4YF3RzQz9rxN; Wed, 9 Oct 2024 22:41:21 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <877cahxffi.fsf@thanosapollo.org> (Thanos Apollo's message of "Wed, 09 Oct 2024 22:08:17 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=maciaschain@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324456 Archived-At: Thanos Apollo writes: > Juan Manuel Mac=C3=ADas writes: > > > [...] >> >> All of these characters can be obtained with the greek-ibycus4 input >> method, which I mentioned. The advantage is that it comes out of the box >> in Emacs. For example: > > Not true, there are missing glyphs such as with macros & vrachy, e.g =E1= =BE=B8 =E1=BE=B9 > =E1=BF=A8 =E1=BF=A9. Issues with greek-ibycus4 include: > > - Having "K+" translating into "=CF=9E" (koppa, an archaic Greek letter) = and > other similar keybindings, just try to imagine writing chemistry using > greek-ibycus4. > > - Not including binds for keys such as "J", there is no J letter in > Greek or Coptic. > > - Not following the standard keybindings for greek letters found in > Greek keyboards. > > Not including macros & vrachy letters would be acceptable if it did not > try to include archaic Greek & Coptic letters. This is not a greek > polytonic input method for it can't be used for daily workloads, this is > a niche greek-like input method. > > Schools & some newspapers in Greece still use polytonic, we can't expect > users who type Greek daily to switch to greek-ibycus4. =3Dgreek-polytonic > input method should follow the standard greek qwerty keyboard, which is > already implemented in "greek", just without the extra diacritics. Different users may have different requirements for writing polytonic Greek. Even inside and outside of Greece. As far as I know (I could be wrong), ibycus4 is based on beta code, with some quirks. beta code is a system for transliterating classical Greek into ASCII, very popular among classicists. For a classical philologist (I am a classical philologist) it may be more than enough. For those who dedicate themselves to epigraphy, papyrology or linguistics, it probably won't be enough. What I mean is that with ibycus4 anyone, with the necessary patience, could write all the tragedies of Aeschylus in GNU Emacs. Which makes it a legitimate input method for writing polytonic Greek. Of course, I don't see why different input methods can't coexist for different requirements in polytonic Greek. > I've already replaced "greek" with my implementations and it's almost > 1:1 compatible, just haven't added all the Greek Extended characters as > I'm still testing the keybindings. Feel free to try it out and share > your thoughts. Thanks, I will do it. Best regards, Juan Manuel -- Juan Manuel Mac=C3=ADas -- Composici=C3=B3n tipogr=C3=A1fica, tratamiento d= e datos, dise=C3=B1o editorial y ortotipograf=C3=ADa