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From: Suhail Singh <suhailsingh247@gmail.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: Suhail Singh <suhailsingh247@gmail.com>,
	 bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Improve access to documentation in Info format
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2025 16:04:31 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878qruqm8w.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1tSq2G-0007ZO-Ep@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 31 Dec 2024 23:08:44 -0500")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

>   > Could you comment on the user-facing features that would no longer work
>   > with such "visibly wrong" translated-from-other-formats Info manuals?
>
> "Natural" markup notations that try to resemble ordinary punctuation
> have trouble making these distinctions.  They are based on WYGIWYW,
> What You Get Is What You Write.  So if several markup constructs get
> you the same thing in one output format, you have to write them the
> same way in the source, so they all get you the same thing in each
> output format.

To paraphrase, the user-facing features that would no longer work with
such "visibly wrong" translated-from-other-formats Info manuals is the
ability to generate output that looks similar in one output format while
looking different in other output formats.

> I am not saying it is _impossible_ to extend any of those markup
> systems to make these distinctions.  Quite the contrary, I hope
> someone will invent a way, and implement it.  Then, with luck, we
> could perhaps adopt that markup system for source code for our
> manuals.
>
> But this would involve making the markup system less "natural".
>
> Untll someone invents that, we can't use a natural markup notation
> to replace Texinfo format.

Agreed, natural markup may not be a substitute for Texinfo.  And yet,
there may still be utility in providing _best effort_ but "visibly
wrong" Info manuals for packages that use other documentation generation
systems (for instance, Sphinx).

The value for me, as a user, would be to be able to use Emacs's
excellent Info viewing capabilities for such packages.

-- 
Suhail



  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-01 21:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-30 12:56 Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Jeremy Bryant
2024-11-30 13:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-30 13:38 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 14:12   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 18:08     ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 20:05       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:09         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01  6:15           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02  3:00             ` Texinfo reputation (was: Re: [External] : Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Max Nikulin
2024-12-02 12:47               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03  2:51                 ` Texinfo reputation Max Nikulin
2024-12-03 12:38                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 18:51               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05  4:56                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05  7:45                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-06  4:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-01  9:53         ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 10:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 10:54             ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 13:04         ` Johan Myréen
2024-12-04  6:09           ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-30 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01  4:02   ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01  7:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01  8:36       ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01 10:01         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 11:13           ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-05  5:05       ` Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  6:30         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  7:25         ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: " Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05  7:46           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  8:52             ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05  9:14               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  9:49                 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 11:17                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 11:28                     ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 12:01                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 12:39                         ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 14:26                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-15  8:26                             ` Visuwesh
2024-12-08  8:13                           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes, " James Thomas
2024-12-08  8:38                             ` James Thomas
2024-12-08 11:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 20:10                               ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                               ` <86msh5b48w.fsf@gmx.net>
2024-12-10  1:08                                 ` James Thomas
     [not found]                               ` <87zfl60wbw.fsf@>
2024-12-08 20:46                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11  4:32                                 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:54                                   ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                   ` <87msgzp2a9.fsf@>
2024-12-14 19:11                                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-16  4:02                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 10:06             ` Stephen Berman
2024-12-05 15:07             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 16:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09  4:58           ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-09 22:49             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-11  4:35               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02  4:10   ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 12:57     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 23:03       ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-04 12:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-04 22:58           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-05  5:45             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-07 13:30               ` Improving info-look.el for (c) -was- " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 15:09                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05  5:03           ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05 18:47           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:04             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 10:44               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 12:10                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 22:40                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:17             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-05 20:35               ` chad
2024-12-06  4:57               ` Visuwesh
2024-12-06 10:42               ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 14:58             ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-06 16:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 16:41                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-08  5:15               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08  7:15                 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-12-08 16:50                 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-11  4:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-12  3:22                     ` Debian package with GNU manuals (was: Re: [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref) Max Nikulin
2024-12-04 20:02         ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Suhail Singh
     [not found]           ` <87wmgf9h70.fsf@jeremybryant.net>
2024-12-04 23:52             ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07 13:21               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-08 20:44                 ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07  4:22           ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-07 12:29             ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 14:55             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]             ` <87h67fr18v.fsf@>
2024-12-10  5:38               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:44                 ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                 ` <87r06bp2qm.fsf@>
2024-12-14 21:19                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-15  6:31                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-16  4:02                   ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  5:05       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05  6:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 20:07     ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]     ` <87cyi8h6n8.fsf@>
2024-12-07 16:02       ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-08  5:10       ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 20:07         ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-09 15:11         ` Improve access to documentation in Info format (was: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Suhail Singh
2024-12-11  4:37           ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-11 14:13             ` Improve access to documentation in Info format Suhail Singh
2025-01-01  4:08               ` Richard Stallman
2025-01-01 21:04                 ` Suhail Singh [this message]
2025-01-03  4:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2025-01-03  5:27                     ` Suhail Singh
2025-01-04  0:55                       ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                       ` <67788718.170a0220.116636.4451SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2025-01-04  1:28                         ` Suhail Singh
2025-01-04  2:20                           ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                           ` <67789ad4.050a0220.196b31.88fdSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2025-01-04  2:57                             ` Suhail Singh
2025-01-05  4:16                           ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:41             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]             ` <87v7vnp2vx.fsf@>
2024-12-14 21:16               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-16  4:03               ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-16  4:03               ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]         ` <874j3e2b2i.fsf@>
2024-12-11  4:32           ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 23:03 ` John ff

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