From: Suhail Singh <suhailsingh247@gmail.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: Suhail Singh <suhailsingh247@gmail.com>,
bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Improve access to documentation in Info format
Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2025 16:04:31 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <878qruqm8w.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1tSq2G-0007ZO-Ep@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 31 Dec 2024 23:08:44 -0500")
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> > Could you comment on the user-facing features that would no longer work
> > with such "visibly wrong" translated-from-other-formats Info manuals?
>
> "Natural" markup notations that try to resemble ordinary punctuation
> have trouble making these distinctions. They are based on WYGIWYW,
> What You Get Is What You Write. So if several markup constructs get
> you the same thing in one output format, you have to write them the
> same way in the source, so they all get you the same thing in each
> output format.
To paraphrase, the user-facing features that would no longer work with
such "visibly wrong" translated-from-other-formats Info manuals is the
ability to generate output that looks similar in one output format while
looking different in other output formats.
> I am not saying it is _impossible_ to extend any of those markup
> systems to make these distinctions. Quite the contrary, I hope
> someone will invent a way, and implement it. Then, with luck, we
> could perhaps adopt that markup system for source code for our
> manuals.
>
> But this would involve making the markup system less "natural".
>
> Untll someone invents that, we can't use a natural markup notation
> to replace Texinfo format.
Agreed, natural markup may not be a substitute for Texinfo. And yet,
there may still be utility in providing _best effort_ but "visibly
wrong" Info manuals for packages that use other documentation generation
systems (for instance, Sphinx).
The value for me, as a user, would be to be able to use Emacs's
excellent Info viewing capabilities for such packages.
--
Suhail
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-01 21:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-11-30 12:56 Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Jeremy Bryant
2024-11-30 13:25 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-11-30 13:38 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 18:08 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-11-30 20:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-11-30 21:09 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-12-01 6:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-02 3:00 ` Texinfo reputation (was: Re: [External] : Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Max Nikulin
2024-12-02 12:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 2:51 ` Texinfo reputation Max Nikulin
2024-12-03 12:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 18:51 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 4:56 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05 7:45 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-06 4:47 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-01 9:53 ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 10:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 10:54 ` Arsen Arsenović
2024-12-01 13:04 ` Johan Myréen
2024-12-04 6:09 ` Richard Stallman
2024-11-30 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 4:02 ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01 7:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 8:36 ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-01 10:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-01 11:13 ` Sean Whitton
2024-12-05 5:05 ` Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 7:25 ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: " Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 7:46 ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 8:52 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 9:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 9:49 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 11:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 11:28 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 12:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 12:39 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-05 14:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-15 8:26 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-08 8:13 ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes, " James Thomas
2024-12-08 8:38 ` James Thomas
2024-12-08 11:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 20:10 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <86msh5b48w.fsf@gmx.net>
2024-12-10 1:08 ` James Thomas
[not found] ` <87zfl60wbw.fsf@>
2024-12-08 20:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-11 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:54 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87msgzp2a9.fsf@>
2024-12-14 19:11 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-16 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 10:06 ` Stephen Berman
2024-12-05 15:07 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-05 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-09 4:58 ` Integration of Info manuals in programming modes; was: Making the GNU C Manual easier to find in Info Richard Stallman
2024-12-09 22:49 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-11 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 4:10 ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-02 12:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 23:03 ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-04 12:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-04 22:58 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-05 5:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-07 13:30 ` Improving info-look.el for (c) -was- " Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 15:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-05 5:03 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-05 18:47 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 10:44 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 12:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-06 22:40 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-05 19:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2024-12-05 20:35 ` chad
2024-12-06 4:57 ` Visuwesh
2024-12-06 10:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-12-06 14:58 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-06 16:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-08 16:41 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-08 5:15 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 7:15 ` Xiyue Deng
2024-12-08 16:50 ` Max Nikulin
2024-12-11 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-12 3:22 ` Debian package with GNU manuals (was: Re: [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref) Max Nikulin
2024-12-04 20:02 ` [ELPA] New package c-intro-and-ref -- was Re: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Suhail Singh
[not found] ` <87wmgf9h70.fsf@jeremybryant.net>
2024-12-04 23:52 ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07 13:21 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-08 20:44 ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-07 4:22 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-07 12:29 ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-12-07 14:55 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87h67fr18v.fsf@>
2024-12-10 5:38 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:44 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87r06bp2qm.fsf@>
2024-12-14 21:19 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-15 6:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-16 4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 5:05 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-05 6:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-03 20:07 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87cyi8h6n8.fsf@>
2024-12-07 16:02 ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-08 5:10 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 20:07 ` Björn Bidar
2024-12-09 15:11 ` Improve access to documentation in Info format (was: Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release) Suhail Singh
2024-12-11 4:37 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-11 14:13 ` Improve access to documentation in Info format Suhail Singh
2025-01-01 4:08 ` Richard Stallman
2025-01-01 21:04 ` Suhail Singh [this message]
2025-01-03 4:32 ` Richard Stallman
2025-01-03 5:27 ` Suhail Singh
2025-01-04 0:55 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <67788718.170a0220.116636.4451SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2025-01-04 1:28 ` Suhail Singh
2025-01-04 2:20 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <67789ad4.050a0220.196b31.88fdSMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com>
2025-01-04 2:57 ` Suhail Singh
2025-01-05 4:16 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-13 23:41 ` Björn Bidar
[not found] ` <87v7vnp2vx.fsf@>
2024-12-14 21:16 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2024-12-16 4:03 ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-16 4:03 ` Richard Stallman
[not found] ` <874j3e2b2i.fsf@>
2024-12-11 4:32 ` Proposal: Include C Manual from RMS in Emacs git, and/or release Richard Stallman
2024-12-08 23:03 ` John ff
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