From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Alex Schroeder Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: German tutorial fix Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:47:27 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org Message-ID: <877klzw0xs.fsf@emacswiki.org> References: <87y9emho8s.fsf@lexx.delysid.org> <200205160722.g4G7M8X18181@aztec.santafe.edu> <3277-Thu16May2002155214+0300-eliz@is.elta.co.il> <200205171928.g4HJSdw20390@aztec.santafe.edu> <87znyywagx.fsf@pot.cnuce.cnr.it> <87adqyz047.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <200205190530.g4J5UNa22924@aztec.santafe.edu> <87n0uwuwkc.fsf@emacswiki.org> <87offctgcb.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87elg8upk7.fsf@emacswiki.org> <87u1p4ruct.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1021891505 21425 127.0.0.1 (20 May 2002 10:45:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 10:45:05 +0000 (UTC) Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 179kf3-0005ZS-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:45:05 +0200 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([199.232.76.164]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 179ksx-0003Z3-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:59:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 179kfL-00057U-00; Mon, 20 May 2002 06:45:23 -0400 Original-Received: from relay02.cablecom.net ([62.2.33.102]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 179kd0-0003rX-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 06:42:59 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.swissonline.ch (mail-4.swissonline.ch [62.2.32.85]) by relay02.cablecom.net (8.11.6/8.11.4/SOL/AWF/MXRELAY/06072001) with ESMTP id g4KAhic91307 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:43:45 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from confusibombus (dclient217-162-234-4.hispeed.ch [217.162.234.4]) by smtp.swissonline.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6/SMTPSOL/AWF/2002040101) with ESMTP id g4KAgvo22210 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:42:57 +0200 (MEST) Original-Received: from alex by confusibombus with local (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 179khL-00009y-00 for ; Mon, 20 May 2002 12:47:27 +0200 Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: <87u1p4ruct.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> (Miles Bader's message of "20 May 2002 01:10:58 +0900") Original-Lines: 30 User-Agent: Gnus/5.090006 (Oort Gnus v0.06) Emacs/21.2 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Errors-To: emacs-devel-admin@gnu.org X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:4165 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:4165 Miles Bader writes: > The danger is that people will read such this and say `I have arrow keys, > so I don't need to bother with all these strange and odd key-bindings -- > they're only for sad users stuck on 1970's hardware.' Yes, I think they only *need* this on old terminals. Perhaps they might *want* it for various reasons, but I think we should concentrate on what users need. > If we believe (as I obviously do) that the non-arrow-key bindings > are _better_ in some situations, and also offer other less tangible > benefits (such as their integration into the emacs `scheme' for > keybindings), then we really ought to also point out `Hey, these > bindings may seem unnecessary, but really, you ought to try them for > a while, you may be glad you did.' I'm not sure this kind of thing belongs into the tutorial. I think the tutorial ought to be short, and easy to understand. So let us not encumber it with too much information. After all, there is still the manual. And even if we do mention the control keys, let us only give the most obvious arguments for them: mnemonics, and old terminals. I think that typing speed is on par with health considerations: Nobody knows for sure. Alex. -- http://www.electronicintifada.net/diaries/index.html http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/hr2506c.html