From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lawyer's evaluation Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:58:42 +0900 Organization: The XEmacs Project Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <877k3yxxjx.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <871xud8z7j.fsf@tc-1-100.kawasaki.gol.ne.jp> <87vfro7uga.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1064404192 17741 80.91.224.253 (24 Sep 2003 11:49:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Miles Bader Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 24 13:49:50 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.224.244]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A289W-0001fd-00 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:49:50 +0200 Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1A28GD-0004GR-00 for ; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 13:56:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A27sb-000543-3r for emacs-devel@quimby.gnus.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:32:21 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A27sU-00053I-Tc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:32:14 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.22) id 1A27an-0002oM-6P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 07:13:57 -0400 Original-Received: from [130.158.98.109] (helo=tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.22) id 1A27ME-0001T2-SY; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 06:58:55 -0400 Original-Received: from steve by tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1A27M3-0001hB-00; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 19:58:43 +0900 Original-To: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) In-Reply-To: (Kim F. Storm's message of "24 Sep 2003 11:10:52 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.1001 (Gnus v5.10.1) XEmacs/21.4 (Portable Code, linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 Precedence: list List-Id: Emacs development discussions. List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+emacs-devel=quimby.gnus.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:16594 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:16594 >>>>> "Kim" == Kim F Storm writes: Kim> What about combining things like this: There are several good ideas here, but there are a couple of problems. Kim> "Free" means that all users have the freedom to study, share, Kim> change and improve Emacs. In fact, you may freely use and Kim> modify Emacs for your own purposes without knowing any of the Kim> details of the GPL. This is misleading; in order to modify Emacs you must accept the GPL. Sure, you can accept it without knowing the details, but we don't want to encourage that. Kim> However, once you distribute your changes to others, you Kim> should be aware that the conditions and rights in the GPL Kim> will extend to cover your changes as well, so before doing In fact, it implies acceptance of the license. That means we really need to say that such distribution must follow the terms of the license. I don't see how that can happen if the user doesn't read it. Kim> so, you are strongly advised to read the license. Kim> Also, if you write and distribute an extension to Emacs in Kim> Emacs Lisp (the extension language used by Emacs), that Kim> extension will be covered by the GPL too, as running such an Kim> extension requires "linking" with Emacs. This is true only if you put a strict interpretation on Emacs Lisp, ie, those parts of Lisp that are unique to Emacs Lisp. True, in practice it's hard to imagine substantial Lisp applications that don't do buffer I/O, etc, being written in Emacs Lisp, but it's possible. I don't think it's a good idea to put debatable statements here, even if they are pragmatically correct. -- Institute of Policy and Planning Sciences http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp University of Tsukuba Tennodai 1-1-1 Tsukuba 305-8573 JAPAN Ask not how you can "do" free software business; ask what your business can "do for" free software.