From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: floyd@barrow.com (Floyd L. Davidson) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs for everything? Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 13:00:03 -0900 Organization: __________ Message-ID: <877jo7x89o.fld@barrow.com> References: <87pt2ej98v.fsf@node1.ddorf.de> <87zn1g2t5j.fld@barrow.com> <876540gxzw.fld@barrow.com> <87653u4x4t.fld@barrow.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1101592857 6333 80.91.229.6 (27 Nov 2004 22:00:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 22:00:57 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 27 23:00:52 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CYAce-0006o9-00 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 23:00:52 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CYAlx-00053U-Tv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:10:29 -0500 Original-Path: shelby.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!nntp.giganews.com.MISMATCH!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeeds.ihug.co.nz!ihug.co.nz!falcon.america.net!eagle.america.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: gnus 5.10.6/XEmacs 21.4.15/Linux 2.6.5 Cancel-Lock: sha1:WoxUHcNQzD8zI2F1p3jkd/1mxQk= Original-Lines: 57 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.124.156.175 Original-X-Trace: eagle.america.net 1101592941 209.124.156.175 (Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:02:21 EST) Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2004 17:02:21 EST Original-Xref: shelby.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:126977 Original-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:22380 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.help:22380 Kai Grossjohann wrote: >floyd@barrow.com (Floyd L. Davidson) writes: > >> Kai Grossjohann wrote: >> >>>The Windows-style Start menu navigation is also quite nice: P selects >>>the only item starting with P. If there is more than one item >>>starting with P, then P moves to the first one, and you can hit P >>>again to move to the next one. Then RET selects it. >> >> That is a very fundamental difference in what we do with window >> managers. I start virtually *no* applications from a window manager, >> either by menu or with icons. I work in many different directories, >> and anything started by the window manager thinks it is in the >> home directory. So I start almost everything from a command line. >> The exceptions are tools that are not tied to any given working >> directory (xmag, a couple local database programs, xcalc, my clock, >> stuff like that). > >There's a misunderstanding, here. I was only referring to the way how >you can select items from the Windows Start menu using the keyboard. > >I didn't mean that the Window Start menu, per se, is useful. Hee hee, okay... I did assume you were actually using a Start menu. >But the menu navigation could be used for any menu, such as for the >list of windows, or for the window operations (you know, iconify, >maximize, resize, ...), or you name it. > >Please note that the Windows Start menu navigation is different from >the way other Windows menus are navigated. In the other menus, each >item has an underlined character which serves as the accelerator. But >the Windows Start menu provides for two items having the same >accelerator, and it does not require explicit specification of the >accelerator (it's always the first character). I use menus so little that the accelerators have never been of much interest to me. I basically put things in menus that I won't otherwise remember, and if it is in a menu, I just use the mouse to access it. Many of the menu items I have are somewhat obscure functions that, for example, I might only use ever several months. One effect of that is not only do I not remember or use the accelerator, I can't even remember a name. So my menu needs to be as descriptive as I can make it and trying to pick a name that makes for a good accelerator is not important. I've just decided to totally ignore such things as accelerators, and use the mouse only for menus. Hence I'd never noticed the difference you are describing. -- Floyd L. Davidson Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd@barrow.com