From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Brockman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: mouse-1-click-follows-link Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:26:16 +0200 Message-ID: <877jgxvidj.fsf@wigwam.deepwood.net> References: <8564wi2ag7.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1118712545 13090 80.91.229.2 (14 Jun 2005 01:29:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 01:29:05 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 03:29:03 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Di0ER-00039E-EW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:28:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Di0JL-00056t-GQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:33:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Di0J2-00053z-S3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:33:33 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Di0Iw-0004yJ-2x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:33:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Di0Iu-0004x1-CP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:33:24 -0400 Original-Received: from [80.91.229.2] (helo=ciao.gmane.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1Di090-0004gi-1t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 13 Jun 2005 21:23:10 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Di02t-000257-2P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:16:51 +0200 Original-Received: from c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se ([213.112.182.79]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:16:51 +0200 Original-Received: from daniel by c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2005 03:16:51 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 26 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-4fb670d5.028-10-67766c2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se X-Face: :&2UWGm>e24)ip~'K@iOsA&JT3JX*v@1-#L)=dUb825\Fwg#`^N!Y*g-TqdS AevzjFJe96f@V'ya8${57/T'"mTd`1o{TGYhHnVucLq!D$r2O{IN)7>.0op_Y`%r;/Q +(]`3F-t10N7NF\.Mm0q}p1:%iqTi:5]1E]rDF)R$9.!,Eu'9K':y9^U3F8UCS1M+A$ 8[[[WT^`$P[vu>P+8]aQMh9giu&fPCqLW2FSsGs User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:xh8/Ne9kDKwWiICPboxBZWgIxsE= X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:38773 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:38773 Stefan Monnier writes: > The idea of having mouse-1-clock-follows-link activated by default > is to make it easier for beginners accustomed to web browsers Not only web browsers: GUI applications in general. In every other GUI application I can think of, mouse-1 is used for clicking buttons. > more than to text editors, and maybe that makes sense, but we > shouldn't overstate this case either: the number of users we can > expect to win thanks to this minor detail is likely to be > vanishingly small. It's not like the mouse-2-follows-link > convention is the only "unusual" UI aspect of Emacs. Certainly not, but it is a major one. In the same awkward way that vi is a text editor that doesn't respond to typing text, Emacs is a GUI application that doesn't respond to clicking buttons. > So maybe turning it on for a handful of cases makes sense. > And keeping a more intrusive option may also make sense for people > whose system makes it hard to generate a mouse-2 event. I believe this includes most PC systems (correct me if I'm wrong). -- Daniel Brockman