From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 23.0.50; Middle w in of permissions in dired-mode is red and bold: dired-warning Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:45:05 -0400 Message-ID: <877ig50vta.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87hckt9z1u.fsf_-_@jurta.org> <878x0n1g86.fsf@jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205534876 28039 80.91.229.12 (14 Mar 2008 22:47:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:47:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 14 23:48:21 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JaIhJ-0002CM-8v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:48:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JaIgk-0008Sx-3u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:47:46 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JaIgf-0008SW-Dn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:47:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JaIgd-0008SK-3H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:47:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JaIgc-0008SH-Sq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:47:38 -0400 Original-Received: from cyd.mit.edu ([18.115.2.24]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JaIgZ-0006BR-ND; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:47:35 -0400 Original-Received: by cyd.mit.edu (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 042624E3B9; Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:45:05 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <878x0n1g86.fsf@jurta.org> (Juri Linkov's message of "Thu\, 13 Mar 2008 04\:19\:37 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1.92 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92628 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: > When testing Emacs 22 with `emacs -Q', I see that dired buffers are > almost unusable by default. The red bold face for write permissions > is very distracting that prevents focusing on other parts of the dired > buffer. I'm afraid Emacs users will hate us for this if we release > Emacs 22.2 with this annoyance. I haven't been paying attention here, so sorry if this has been discussed elsewhere in the thread. As far as I can tell, the face is meant to be distracting. It's supposed to warn when files are writable by other users. Why would this feature make Emacs users hate us? If you really really dislike (hate?) the warning face, one thing we could try is to make it red and non-bold on terminals that support colors. If that's an acceptable compromise, then we can safely go ahead and make that change.