From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs [Was: Emacs vista build failures] Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:55:12 +0900 Message-ID: <877ibnskkv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <487A783B.7060603@gmail.com> <20080713232635.GD1076@muc.de> <85od51id2t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20080714204242.GH6711@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20080714223059.GG3445@muc.de> <20080715013845.GX3675@rzlab.ucr.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216104074 11093 80.91.229.12 (15 Jul 2008 06:41:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:41:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Don Armstrong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 15 08:42:02 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KIeEb-0003De-6L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 08:42:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41701 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIeDi-00082d-SS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:41:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIeDf-00082U-52 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:41:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KIeDd-00081e-CN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:41:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43038 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KIeDd-00081S-AF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:41:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:56215) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KIeDc-0003G6-QR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:41:01 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53E518003; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:40:59 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A7A6C1A25C3; Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:55:12 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <20080715013845.GX3675@rzlab.ucr.edu> X-Mailer: VM ?bug? under XEmacs 21.5.21 (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100719 Archived-At: Don Armstrong writes: > Perhaps I'm being elitist, but it took me all of 5 minutes to look up > the documentation for this, and rework through how this all was done. No, you're just forgetting what it is like to live in a world where "debhelper" is a 9 character string, and nothing more. FHS is extremely well-known, but Alan apparently didn't connect that to the location of site-start.el under /etc. I've known about the Debian Emacs Policy for at least 7, maybe more like 10, years by now, but it doesn't surprise me that typical users would never have heard it spoken (not even in anger :-).