From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Debian's idiosyncratic complexification of Emacs Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:43:03 -0400 Message-ID: <877ibl8vjs.fsf@red-bean.com> References: <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <487A783B.7060603@gmail.com> <20080713232635.GD1076@muc.de> <85od51id2t.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <20080714204242.GH6711@volo.donarmstrong.com> <20080714223059.GG3445@muc.de> <20080715013845.GX3675@rzlab.ucr.edu> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216237414 1785 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2008 19:43:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:43:34 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 16 21:44:22 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KJCvA-0007ge-AW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:44:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34499 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJCuH-0007LM-VG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:43:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJCuD-0007J0-BN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:43:17 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KJCuA-0007Ej-Ni for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:43:16 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37217 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KJCuA-0007EV-I8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:43:14 -0400 Original-Received: from sanpietro.red-bean.com ([66.146.193.61]:45547) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KJCuA-0007SL-EU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:43:14 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43093 helo=floss ident=kfogel) by sanpietro.red-bean.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KJCu6-0002Io-FC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:43:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20080715013845.GX3675@rzlab.ucr.edu> (Don Armstrong's message of "Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:38:45 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100833 Archived-At: Don Armstrong writes: >> The only thing this does is to prevent the loading of the >> site-start.el in the standard Emacs place, i.e. >> /usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/ (This is documented on page "Init >> File" of the Emacs manual.) > > Configuration files such as site-start.el need to be in /etc by FHS, > and by Debian policy. Why not put a line in the regular site-start.el -- the one in the Emacs-standard location, not the one in /etc/emacs/site-start.el -- that loads /etc/emacs/site-start.el? Or if the problem is that Debian isn't allowed to touch anything under /usr/local/, then put code in /etc/emacs/site-start.el that loads /usr/share/.../site-start.el and /usr/local/share/.../site-start.el (and same for any other potentially blocked 'site-start.el's). Wouldn't that solve all the problems here? Do you need a bug filed at bugs.debian.org, or is this email enough? Best, -Karl