From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs vista build failures Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:55:42 +0900 Message-ID: <877ibfjq8x.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <36366a980807101702r5677d096g8e62ef5b3e278868@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807111217m66d6cf4el777c197c107ce034@mail.gmail.com> <87skug6tq5.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <4eb0089f0807111345h13eccdds9b2cf43370b94074@mail.gmail.com> <4eb0089f0807121340x5e26f6dbve03ef50b238f3a3a@mail.gmail.com> <87k5fph5rh.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080713214648.GB1076@muc.de> <20080714195651.GF3445@muc.de> <487C5FA3.4070603@emf.net> <87zloggji9.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878wvxxkn6.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87ej5oz4pb.fsf@saeurebad.de> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216648578 10057 80.91.229.12 (21 Jul 2008 13:56:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, lord@emf.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, Johannes Weiner , drobinow@gmail.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 21 15:57:06 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KKvst-0000MK-36 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:57:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43944 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKvs0-0008MT-4R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:56:08 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKvrv-0008Li-CZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:56:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KKvrt-0008LP-5W for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:56:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=57333 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KKvrt-0008LM-0N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:56:01 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:40554) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KKvrj-0005qj-OC; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:55:52 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.33.237.219.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.33.237.219] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1KKvrd-00013n-3X; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:55:45 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 551C92F3A; Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:55:42 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Richard M. Stallman's message of "Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:29:37 -0400") Original-Lines: 17 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101071 Archived-At: Richard M Stallman writes: > If you are talking about Autoconf, then you've misunderstood what this > issue is about. It is not about using Autoconf. It is about > implementing the interface specified in the GNU Coding Standards. This seems to be something of a problem in general actually -- even though the GNU coding standards specify an interface which can be implemented in many ways, people often seem to mentally conflate them with using the auto* tools, and if they decide to use some other build system/tool, they don't even consider trying to follow that interface (even though it's often rather simple to do so in many cases). -Miles -- Joy, n. An emotion variously excited, but in its highest degree arising from the contemplation of grief in another.