From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Specifying mode in file variables trouble Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:41:22 +0200 Message-ID: <877i90ralp.fsf@gmail.com> References: <48D6E8FB.4070108@gmail.com> <48D79A25.7050000@gmail.com> <48D8BB40.6060806@gmail.com> <48D954F9.4010302@gmail.com> <48DA770F.8010803@gmail.com> <20080925062845.GA17698@tomas> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1222324902 15235 80.91.229.12 (25 Sep 2008 06:41:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 06:41:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Richard M. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:104135 Archived-At: Hello Thomas, On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 08:28:45 +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de said: tomas> But I would be wary of pulling in a full-fledged XML machinery tomas> just to edit (pure) PHP source just because it is sometimes tomas> embedded in (X)HTML templates. And I would be --uh-- rather tomas> uneasy being told this to be "imaginary problems". The line has to be drawn at a point. We probably all agree that emacs memory consumption is sufficiently low with respect to current hardware. So I beleive this should not drive out features that make emacs DTRT when visiting a file. tomas> As an analogy, I'm regularly irked by reglar GNU/Linux distros tomas> installing Avahi-this or Evolution-that just because I want tomas> a music player or a task calendar. I try to avoid those tomas> packages which pull in half-a-world of stuff I don't need. I think this a different kind of problem (persistent storage consumption). And some distros offer you to choose dependency at build time, through build flags. Distros you are talking about are probably designed for ease of use and least surprise, and I bet they perform very well in this field. Aren't they ? BTW, I hope we can get emacs distribution more modular during next cycle, so that you would not have to download and build a complex php mode if you never edit php. -- Paul