From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: MON KEY Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: authinfo gnutls netrc.el auth-sources & smtpmail-starttls-credentials Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:52:11 -0400 Message-ID: <877hze1fpg.fsf@sandpframing.com> References: <87r5xpia2a.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hbyl17un.fsf@sandpframing.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1245051810 27361 80.91.229.12 (15 Jun 2009 07:43:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 07:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jun 15 09:43:28 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MG6qh-00066M-VE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:43:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40827 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MG6qh-0007Pc-DM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:43:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MG6qd-0007NX-4D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:43:19 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MG6qY-0007He-AR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:43:18 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39965 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MG6qY-0007HJ-4S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:43:14 -0400 Original-Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.145]:51069) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MG6qX-0002x8-QM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:43:13 -0400 Original-Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 9so1883234qwj.24 for ; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.224.54.9 with SMTP id o9mr6902354qag.269.1245051792512; Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from slaptop.derbycityprints.com ([32.179.44.202]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1216150qwk.0.2009.06.15.00.43.10 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 15 Jun 2009 00:43:11 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Ted Zlatanov's message of "Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:55:35 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.94 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:111519 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > > MK> Please see my post elsewhere on this thread vis a vis imap.el > > I don't think it's necessary to have the debugging facilities of > imap.el, because auth-source.el does not have so much external The langauge of those two defcustom forms is quite communicative re: logging/debugging and do well to extend clarity when informing the user just how much rope he has been given. IIWM I would adopt the same or similar tone with any such revisions/additions made to auth-sources defcustom related docs. > interaction that needs to be debugged. There's just three places where > messages are emitted right now. Just auth-source-debug as a boolean, Its not the amount (or lack thereof), but rather the manner in which the logging/debugging occurs and _how_ the user is made aware of bot the existence of such facilities and the potential pitfalls of their use. > logging to *Messages*, is sufficient, which my patch proposes. Let me > know if you see any issues with the patch. Still looking. I will follow up accordingly. > Ted s_P