From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Sending attachments Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:29:25 -0400 Message-ID: <877hygr7ii.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87k52rzyn1.fsf@benthic.rattlesnake.com> <873a9fw6dt.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87y6r7yp1y.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <877hyp3by2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87r5wvdw57.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87skh8li14.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247610812 17185 80.91.229.12 (14 Jul 2009 22:33:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:33:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 10 16:14:39 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MPGs2-0008P0-IO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 16:14:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47486 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MPGs1-0007ml-Sy for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:14:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MPGlQ-00089a-Bq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:07:48 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MPGlL-00082G-MH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:07:47 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=55250 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MPGlL-00081v-CQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:07:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mx20.gnu.org ([199.232.41.8]:27878) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MPGlH-00042B-P1; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:07:39 -0400 Original-Received: from pantheon-po36.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.89]) by mx20.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MPGlG-0001Qt-Jh; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:07:38 -0400 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014241.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.241]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po36.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n6AE7aJ2030663 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:07:36 -0400 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6A9F3C09B; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:29:25 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:16:02 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.96 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Detected-Operating-System: by mx20.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112475 Richard Stallman writes: > > message.el forces the loading of many other packages (I sent the list > > before). So its effective complexity includes all of them. It is > > tied in with Gnus, and can't be maintained on its own. > > Message mode is actively maintained by the Gnus maintainers, so this > point is irrelevant. > > It is not a good thing that message mode can only be maintained by the > Gnus maintainers. Proper maintenance requires a familiarity with the relevant RFCs; the Gnus maintainers have this expertise, and we should leverage this to the greatest extent possible. Thus, even if we keep mail-mode, due to vested interests, I am opposed to adding a "simple" (and possibly standards-noncompliant) mime library. We should instead make use of mml.el, because the Gnus maintainers have already expended effort making it standards-compliant.