From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Chong Yidong Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CEDET merge Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:30:05 -0400 Message-ID: <877hvisw8y.fsf@stupidchicken.com> References: <87hbun9jbs.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <19136.62172.620142.447740@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <871vlr7y3m.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <19137.915.832493.655984@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1254166271 25828 80.91.229.12 (28 Sep 2009 19:31:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ulrich Mueller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 28 21:31:03 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MsLw4-0004zC-BK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 21:31:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45265 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MsLw3-0008WF-4A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:30:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MsLvJ-00085V-U7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:30:13 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MsLvF-000829-4N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:30:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=49670 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MsLvE-00081z-Vw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:30:09 -0400 Original-Received: from pantheon-po45.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.79]:38800) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MsLvE-0008HG-Ng for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:30:08 -0400 Original-Received: from furry (dhcp128036014244.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.244]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po45.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n8SJU5cf007614 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:30:05 -0400 Original-Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 97A8CC070; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:30:05 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <19137.915.832493.655984@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> (Ulrich Mueller's message of "Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:42:27 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4-2.6 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:115736 Archived-At: Ulrich Mueller writes: >>>>>> On Mon, 28 Sep 2009, Chong Yidong wrote: > >>> Was this renaming of files really necessary? It breaks backwards >>> compatibility and imposes additional work on package authors and >>> distros. > >> No one suggested any other solution to the filename problem. > > The obvious solution is not to support CEDET on platforms with 8+3 > filenames ... I'm no expert, but according to Eli, having files longer than 8+3 in the tarball leads to problems unpacking the tarball on DOS, and other problems on some versions of Windows: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2006-02/msg00149.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2005-12/msg01709.html >> Maybe we could get around this by adding a `cedet-compat' package >> that loads everything everything in CEDET and provides all the old >> CEDET feature names; then loading this file will provide everything >> a third-party package needs to compile. > > Not sure if loading everything at once is a good idea. CEDET is huge. > But couldn't at least the old feature names be provided by the single > files? (As it was done for newsticker-*, for example.) We can do that, but how does this solve the problem? The old `require' calls still won't find the correct file (unless we implement feature aliases or something like that).