From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gentoo GNU/Linux and non-free packages Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:56:39 +0100 Message-ID: <877hrt7z5k.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> References: <20091228170401.GA4553@muc.de> <20091231120648.GA2801@muc.de> <4B3CD9A9.9030705@harpegolden.net> <20100103173342.GA1653@muc.de> <87bphbf3zy.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <20100103215647.GC1653@muc.de> <87637i709n.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <87ocl9wqjp.fsf_-_@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <201bac3a1001051610t25a1a767v79398943193c3e89@mail.gmail.com> <87iqbexqgi.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262941339 18902 80.91.229.12 (8 Jan 2010 09:02:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 09:02:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jonas@bernoulli.cc, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 10:02:09 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NTAjP-0000hK-M2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:02:07 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46904 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NTAjQ-0002vA-BJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:02:08 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NTAeL-0004Tv-Q8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:56:53 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NTAeH-0004OL-T9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:56:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=56383 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NTAeH-0004O2-IB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:56:49 -0500 Original-Received: from out4.smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]:38880) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NTAeF-0004M5-7a; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:56:47 -0500 Original-Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.internal [10.202.2.42]) by gateway1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76195C9724; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 03:56:46 -0500 (EST) Original-Received: from heartbeat1.messagingengine.com ([10.202.2.160]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:56:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=messagingengine.com; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s=smtpout; bh=CTe1alq1eMYYKzVFuQmjhonmbSk=; b=SmvS1R6g9zqPTIwoTh0Z2+x3jX6XHU7Nr/E7hqFxEhNBV+rmodJCDKdnHdTIb3418aTDCCLaofBHkYZ6eDvkpDMm0mVzb7J2fi6G/Ger2LQvgAUKcZ+ynF8hdRfcHErubHJ1Edsu7gBQRdkt7HqIWX7rxx355Np8r/sn4/Y2aAU= X-Sasl-enc: u+X1Jg7rIFgEG//uO7OGz87T/+ZvfsRTA1LQpwHmlyUp 1262941005 Original-Received: from thinkpad.tsdh.de (p54AF1F8E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.175.31.142]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EFFF54A88BF; Fri, 8 Jan 2010 03:56:44 -0500 (EST) Mail-Followup-To: rms@gnu.org, jonas@bernoulli.cc, emacs-devel@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 07 Jan 2010 17:49:13 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119657 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > | Gentoo makes it easy to install a number of nonfree programs > | through their primary package system. > `---- > > Well, that hardly qualifies as an still standing argument. As > soon as the new package manager version is stable, it's only a > matter of what defaults the Gentoo devs choose as acceptable > licenses. I guess, they will choose only FSF and OSI approved > licenses. > > Are you saying that the Gentoo developers might soon delete all the > ports for non-free programs from Gentoo? No, what I've meant is that the Gentoo developers might choose a default setting of the license filter, which only accepts packages that are completely free, e.g. packages with licenses approved by the FSF or OSI. > That could make it a 100% free distro, [...] I think, that such a default setting of the license filter would qualify as 100% free. The difference with gNewSense then is only that with Gentoo, you can add an exception if you rely on some non-free driver and let the package manager install it. With gNewSense, you would install that manually with the risk, that you might not be able to erase it completely later on. > [...] and we might be able to endorse it. Well, I think you could endorse it with a short explanation in any case, as soon as the version of the package manager supporting this feature becomes stable. If a Gentoo user then puts ACCEPT_LICENSE="-* @FSF-APPROVED @OSI-APPROVED" into his /etc/make.conf, he can be sure that the package manager only installs packages that are 100% free. Bye, Tassilo