From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs and Gnome Canvas
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:27:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <877hkwbth6.fsf@telefonica.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 877hkwag6y.fsf@stupidchicken.com
Chong Yidong <cyd@stupidchicken.com> writes:
> Óscar Fuentes <ofv@wanadoo.es> writes:
>
>> AFAIK the display system have evolved from the tty one by incremental
>> updates
>
> No, the redisplay system was redesigned during Emacs 21 specifically
> with both tty and graphical terminals in mind. It did not evolve
> mindlessly; the design has a very specific logic behind it. As long as
> we support tty, there is no getting rid of the redisplay iterator.
What I'm thinking on is not to remove the current display system. Is
about implementing a parallel one. I know from the start that the stuff
I'll use *if* the plan goes ahead is not acceptable for key Emacs
developers, so it would be a throw-away project, but nevertheless it
would give information about what can be expected from that approach.
[snip]
> It is still not too clear to me what we would gain from a Canvas-type
> revamp of redisplay, relative to the large costs involved. It does not
> seem like a promising avenue of development.
One of the main insights we could get from the experimental plan I
referred to above is to know the cost/benefit ratio.
> A more promising route is the one that Yamamoto Mitsuharu has explored,
> mentioned earlier in this thread, which (IIUC) treats Cairo as a
> graphical terminal to render onto, on the same footing as the
> tty/X/Windows/NS terminals. Here, I can see a reasonable path to real
> improvement. For example, it might allow us to use the GTK printing
> infrastructure, which operates on Cairo contexts. If you are interested
> in redisplay development, that is the direction I'd suggest looking
> into.
Would that system allow to draw UML diagrams with real graphics, instead
of ASCII? Would it allow to implement a real graphical view for the DAG
of a dVCS history? In short, would it a real drawing surface where you
can draw arbitrary stuff and react to user actions such as the user
clicking and dragging a line, preferably from Elisp code?
Anyways, I'm not interested on learning about the current display
engine. I was told that it is very complex and only a few gurus have a
real grasp of it, so very likely adding the features I'll like to see in
Emacs would be a daunting task. I'm more interested on a simpler
approach: here is the data, display it. The only thing I really fear is
finding that other parts of Emacs (high-level event handling or content
change management, for instance) are tightly coupled with the current
display engine.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-07-15 16:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-07-13 19:02 Emacs, QT and Cairo Was: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Stephen Eilert
2010-07-13 19:29 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-13 19:51 ` Chad Brown
2010-07-13 20:48 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-13 22:30 ` Emacs, QT and Cairo Chad Brown
2010-07-14 1:39 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2010-07-14 2:32 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-14 7:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-14 18:37 ` Chad Brown
2010-07-14 20:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-14 21:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 6:55 ` Emacs and Gnome Canvas (was: Emacs, QT and Cairo) Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 7:46 ` Emacs and Gnome Canvas Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 7:53 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 8:36 ` joakim
2010-07-15 8:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 8:50 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 8:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 8:48 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 8:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 9:29 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 10:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 10:54 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 12:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 14:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 15:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 6:33 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-15 16:00 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-15 16:27 ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2010-07-15 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 17:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 18:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 21:27 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 8:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 14:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 15:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 16:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 18:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 21:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-16 23:44 ` Chad Brown
2010-07-17 0:08 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-17 7:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 8:34 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-07-17 9:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 9:40 ` Andreas Schwab
2010-07-17 10:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 13:49 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-17 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 13:42 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-17 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 21:53 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-18 1:42 ` Miles Bader
2010-07-18 2:45 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-18 8:06 ` Chad Brown
2010-07-18 14:43 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-21 8:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-22 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2010-07-15 17:22 ` Chong Yidong
2010-07-15 18:02 ` Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 22:10 ` Stephen Eilert
2010-07-16 7:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 2:14 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-16 7:33 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-16 9:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 10:15 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-16 10:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-16 12:42 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-17 3:50 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17 8:33 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-17 8:38 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17 9:18 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-17 9:25 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17 10:26 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-18 3:51 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-18 7:10 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-18 7:45 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-18 9:06 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-19 0:50 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17 1:00 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17 1:40 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17 8:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 8:25 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-16 12:21 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-16 10:01 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-16 12:26 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-16 14:05 ` Davis Herring
2010-07-16 17:38 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-17 1:12 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17 7:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 7:31 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-17 8:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-17 8:32 ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-15 14:24 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 14:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 15:16 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 15:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-15 17:14 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 9:20 ` Andy Wingo
2010-07-15 18:41 ` Emacs and Gnome Canvas (was: Emacs, QT and Cairo) Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2010-07-15 21:51 ` Emacs and Gnome Canvas Óscar Fuentes
2010-07-15 22:21 ` Bruce Stephens
2010-07-27 21:24 ` Emacs, QT and Cairo Stefan Monnier
2010-07-27 21:36 ` Chad Brown
2010-07-28 3:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2010-07-14 8:59 ` Emacs, QT and Cairo Was: Re: Efforts to attract more users? YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2010-07-14 9:41 ` Emacs, QT and Cairo David Engster
2010-07-14 9:56 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-14 13:50 ` Drew Adams
2010-07-14 14:14 ` David Engster
2010-07-14 14:28 ` joakim
2010-07-14 15:41 ` Emacs, QT and Cairo Was: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Chong Yidong
2010-07-14 16:17 ` joakim
2010-07-14 18:04 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-15 23:15 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2010-07-16 7:41 ` Jan Djärv
2010-07-16 10:24 ` Andrew W. Nosenko
2010-07-16 12:36 ` Jan Djärv
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2010-07-17 19:02 Emacs and Gnome Canvas grischka
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