From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs learning curve Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:26:47 +0900 Message-ID: <877hkv2hco.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <4C3B6A8A.80105@gmx.de> <87wrt0e81n.fsf@telefonica.net> <62E9699C07054418AB66F9C5FCB54E5C@us.oracle.com> <87sk3oe3la.fsf@telefonica.net> <1154D96E7D2F401D849266F359E44BB9@us.oracle.com> <87ocecdzou.fsf@telefonica.net> <2256C17F740A425884AD551DE7758056@us.oracle.com> <87fwzodqqm.fsf@telefonica.net> <5138CDF30B2D4B778F948015614DA7BC@us.oracle.com> <87iq4ijtdy.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87bpa7uu1e.fsf@kanis.fr> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1279319221 13686 80.91.229.12 (16 Jul 2010 22:27:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Tom , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ivan Kanis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 17 00:27:00 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZtMx-0001iX-Mz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 00:26:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52314 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZtMx-00019O-4m for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:26:59 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=47716 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OZtMr-00019J-Vx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:26:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZtMq-00035p-MS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:26:53 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp12.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.74]:44313) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZtMq-00035e-FF; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:26:52 -0400 Original-Received: from 218.231.253.29.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.253.29] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp12.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1OZtMm-0006T8-Hf; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:26:48 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D54EADF8A; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 07:26:47 +0900 (JST) System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <87bpa7uu1e.fsf@kanis.fr> (Ivan Kanis's message of "Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:05:17 +0200") Original-Lines: 21 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127460 Archived-At: Ivan Kanis writes: > I side with Tom, I wouldn't mind adding one line to my .emacs in favor > of easing new users experience. It isn't that simple. You can't just move some bindings around without affecting other bindings, and there are _lots of bindings_ in Emacs, which are not all defined in one place, or even in one code-base. If Emacs were a simple minimal-functionality editor like notepad with all its bindings defined in a single list, maybe you could easily offer alternative binding sets -- but it isn't. You can see the problem in the existing cua-mode: even though it only tries to offer a very few CUA bindings, it has to resort to awful dodgy hacks to do so, to avoid (or at least try to avoid) stepping on other bindings. -Miles -- Omochiroi!