From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: base Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:25:33 +0200 Message-ID: <877hjcdw6q.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <20100822120642.GA1794@muc.de> <87hbij6hib.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k4nf7ezq.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <878w3v7dd2.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <83wrrfmljv.fsf@gnu.org> <87d3t75crc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fwy2g7i2.fsf@telefonica.net> <83r5hmmrz0.fsf@gnu.org> <877hjefll8.fsf@telefonica.net> <83mxsam5lh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eidm5a0n.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87pqx5ec72.fsf@telefonica.net> <87lj7te8qp.fsf@telefonica.net> <87tymg4o2n.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1282915565 32756 80.91.229.12 (27 Aug 2010 13:26:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 13:26:05 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 27 15:26:04 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoywV-0001Fd-KF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:26:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45834 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OoywU-0005w7-QD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:26:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=52322 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OoywL-0005vz-I7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:25:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoywE-0005yz-3J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:25:53 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:54351) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoywD-0005yZ-Pr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:25:46 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OoywA-000134-EU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:25:42 +0200 Original-Received: from 83.38.73.98 ([83.38.73.98]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:25:42 +0200 Original-Received: from ofv by 83.38.73.98 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 2010 15:25:42 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 34 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 83.38.73.98 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:60d59GebJmmhfewRnNzXjMgBkKc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:129300 Archived-At: "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: [snip] > > On the long term (or not so long) it is not the most cost-effective > > approach. > > For the users described above, it probably is. That's why Bazaar is > reasonably popular among people who are project managers in > companies. They choose one of the well-supported workflows (many of > which are rather centralized, which often suits managers), the users > learn it easily because Bazaar makes it easy, and life is good. > Nothing wrong with that. Apart from using a sub-optimal tool, right? I agree that dumbed-down tools are right for some collectives and/or projects. I strongly believe that Emacs' hackers are no such collective. (bzr pretends to be a dumbed-down tool. In practice, it is more difficult to use than the tool that implements the equivalent workflow (git for fully distributed, subversion for centralized)) [snip] > > Do you want to see a file on another branch without switching to > > it? Want to temporarily reset your working copy to some point on > > the past? > > But many users will *never* want to do either of those. [snip] Seeing the user as someone with simplistic expectations and needs is a capital sin in the Emacs religion.