From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Earl Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs for mail: VM - WL - GNUS Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 18:46:49 -0700 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: <877hg2cgza.fsf@notengoamigos.org> References: <86fwuvc6el.fsf@betla.home> <87lj4lns8e.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <85c17ccf-ea19-4044-b003-74ca7026c63c@k5g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> <87zkt0c8ue.fsf@notengoamigos.org> <0896fa7c-ce71-4865-bac7-d78d665b5421@n32g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <87eiaacs3e.fsf@notengoamigos.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291949418 20556 80.91.229.12 (10 Dec 2010 02:50:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 02:50:18 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 10 03:50:14 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQt3h-0002HS-35 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Dec 2010 03:50:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32805 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQt3g-0002WU-3T for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2010 21:50:08 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!194.109.133.84.MISMATCH!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!feeder.news-service.com!feeder.news-service.com!85.214.198.2.MISMATCH!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 61 Injection-Info: mx03.eternal-september.org; posting-host="2dYgsd229VFZxSGBkoHvsw"; logging-data="14510"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18pr1PcqsAV5U6pEIVQ/l+b" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAAAAAByaaZbAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAAAFz UkdCAK7OHOkAAAAgY0hSTQAAeiYAAICEAAD6AAAAgOgAAHUwAADqYAAAOpgAABdwnLpRPAAAAAlw SFlzAAASmwAAEpsB4JJZDAAAAAl2cEFnAAAAMAAAADAAzu6MVwAAAaFJREFUSMe1VtuxxSAIzIz9 2Iyl2Aj1bBX0k5+LrwjGjJyPy2ROwtGNBJbVCwwwy1UNoOL3f+SBxkj15Lr4NsboN24DWMZxYQNA TjGmjC1gswJiqBbpDeANYMwXBFyAFB5L7ADMBcoSDgAFBSDHR2tA8ABMSB4AawB76pAnILsKx2lm 1VfpgUi3kxrySylRHdmQj40Jva2/jl8EY3Twv/phhsC9nIQR0hnAOUptYsL3RxvAk+YIH2AWsvTH GYBgKn8GaPYm5jNANaCQ8WfAzyH9x0crFfGl9X4QVdg8gEqN2KjBHi6V/iBq6iyAxTqd+Yvupwai VwM9LZkxQ6otihmS6H+mHlK5URwi0UQgWxHoxS5JagBSed7IzJRCallS2pg2QsamcGUFNSHgLZUv augJIUualv1Bv6+yVat1oeMq92s/mBBWQJH7dQX7CnpvWWs/4CazpHlB2RR1BFSzNGdIaTbbLil8 U76BKKU0GztapXP3C78bNYQ6MTQybY8OkIaITf9HPzyHkXE4YXs4mf5VDz+jAepj3RTQ3Ubv0SPy 9AcCrfKh0TBgvgAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAxMC0wNC0zMFQyMzo1NDo0My0wNjowMKID BVQAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMTAtMDQtMzBUMjM6NTQ6NDItMDY6MDB1KbZcAAAAAElF TkSuQmCC Cancel-Lock: sha1:PJpRRroWrtiI/mcopePHxmGKOMM= sha1:x2blAfr49SeYu7qbrk2zsYrDCh4= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:182621 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 09 Dec 2010 20:09:21 -0500 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77228 Archived-At: On Wed, Nov 24 2010, Richard Riley wrote: > Jason Earl writes: > >> On Wed, Nov 24 2010, Elena wrote: >> >>> On Nov 23, 4:18 pm, Jason Earl wrote: >>>> Here is a basic setup that will connect gnus to an IMAP server on port >>>> 993 via ssl.  In short, if all you need is the sort of basic setup that >>>> you get from other mail clients this will suit you just fine. >>>> >>>> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- >>>> (setq gnus-secondary-select-methods >>>>       '((nnimap "mail" >>>>                 (nnimap-address "your.mail.server") >>>>                 (nnimap-server-port 993) >>>>                 (nnimap-stream ssl) >>>>                 (nnimap-authenticator login)))) >>>> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- >>> >>> Thank you very much, Jason. However, my server is a POP one, >>> otherwise I guess Gnus would not have been dumb enough to start >>> downloading my mails and deleting them assuming I knew some bizantine >>> settings to avoid that beforehand. Thunderbird may be big and slow, >>> but at least it does not make such assumptions. >>> >>> For a text-based mail-client, I'm looking into Alpine now. >> >> It has been a long time since I have used a pop3 client, but when I used >> to support such beasts downloading the messages (and deleting them from >> the server) is precisely what they were *supposed* to do. I would not >> be surprised if most modern email clients still downloaded the messages >> and deleted them from the server when using pop3. > > I've never had a POP3 client delete from the server when it reads. I just checked and deleting on pop is the default in both Outlook and Evolution. If your server supports IMAP recent versions of Thunderbird are very hard to set up to do pop3, but I would not be surprised if the default wasn't to download the messages as well. > Certainly using Gmail one of the first in your face options is whether > to retain a copy on the server. It depends on whether you are talking about Gmail as a pop3 client or a pop3 server. If you are talking about google importing your email, they delete it from the server. As a pop3 provider google defaults to keeping your email, but that's basically a googleism. They are more than happy to store your stuff forever. > It's a server side setting normally isn't it? No, the client tells the server to either delete the message after it is received or to keep it. However, early versions of the protocol did not even have a way to query the server for message-ids. So if the message was not deleted then it ended up getting downloaded every time the client connected. Keeping the messages on the server is basically why IMAP was invented. Jason