From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: The bug tracker...again Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:54:47 -0400 Message-ID: <877h64yn48.fsf@red-bean.com> References: <85vctujlsx.fsf@iznogoud.viz> <4E52AAE1.5080503@dogan.se> <8762lp43gp.fsf@red-bean.com> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1314125712 17364 80.91.229.12 (23 Aug 2011 18:55:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 18:55:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 23 20:55:07 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvw7s-0007zg-Jn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 20:55:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40685 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvw7s-0002Q5-4f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:55:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:59579) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvw7k-00029o-Jo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:55:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvw7f-0000Qe-LM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:54:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-qy0-f176.google.com ([209.85.216.176]:37992) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qvw7f-0000QS-Hc; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:54:51 -0400 Original-Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so396875qyk.0 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:54:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=eY1JUFHr/y4cV+iljTnbMdE6JZObVWNzg4/DYdt7/Eo=; b=VF2LDLzFHS2C4/NxhSxW2samrmnIPveDoer+o0NJ+8pK8eZaZqwQ5ACzkLjlIELF8H L4kFqMhk43Rhft60FtPYKuDWLd5CWtt/movwZYjV8JLcZiGJgaSO00+lfFOAE9VbZELE 2M21m0ehOJnB4eJT5QMVfZ5s46Tc4Ef5PPitw= Original-Received: by 10.224.192.202 with SMTP id dr10mr2182qab.101.1314125690890; Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:54:50 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from floss (cpe-66-65-49-129.nyc.res.rr.com. [66.65.49.129]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cg10sm346780qab.8.2011.08.23.11.54.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 23 Aug 2011 11:54:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2011 13:00:00 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.216.176 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:143549 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > I'm not sure if Richard meant email per se, or merely that bug-reporting > must be possible from within Emacs, i.e., without switching to a > separate web-browsing program. > >I meant email, strictly and literally. > > If that's the *real* requirement, then any bug tracker with a decent > network API would probably work, because we could teach Emacs to speak > that API for reporting new bugs. > >It is fine if such an interface exists, but it does not substitute >for access by email. Thanks. I realized later you did mean it literally. (Stephen Turnbull pointed out to me that email's well-debugged offline queueing mechanism is the important thing here, not its user interface.) Many bug trackers have this, nowadays, anyway. Redmine is one such: https://we.riseup.net/cgdev/using-email-with-redmine Obviously, if a bug tracker supports email intake and outflow, then that's an API of sorts, so Emacs can provide a non-email form-based way for users to report bugs, and if absolutely necessary convert that to an email. But it's better to use a real network API if available -- then the user can get real-time confirmation of the bug identifier, etc. This is something debbugs does not do, AFAIK. -Karl