From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ian Zimmerman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Poll about proposed change in DEL (aka Backspace) and Delete Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2011 22:57:49 -0700 Message-ID: <877h4mpqg2.fsf@foolinux.dyndns.org> References: <87litcvtu2.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317621488 25953 80.91.229.12 (3 Oct 2011 05:58:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 05:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-delete-poll@gnu.org To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 03 07:58:04 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RAbXP-0001x2-9m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 07:58:03 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51740 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAbXO-00038A-Tr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 01:58:02 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:58916) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAbXK-00037m-D9 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 01:57:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAbXJ-0003tb-IV for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 01:57:58 -0400 Original-Received: from li225-69.members.linode.com ([173.255.215.69]:42890 helo=ahiker.homeip.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RAbXI-0003tP-69; Mon, 03 Oct 2011 01:57:56 -0400 Original-Received: from adsl-75-30-115-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net ([75.30.115.138] helo=matica) by ahiker.homeip.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RAbXH-0005hI-9X; Sun, 02 Oct 2011 22:57:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:42:50 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 173.255.215.69 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:82405 Archived-At: Richard> * Are you in favor of this change? No. Richard> * Are you opposed to this change? Yes. Richard> * How strongly do you feel about the matter? Very strongly. Richard> * What are the cases where you find it helps? None. If I know I have an active region, I can kill it with C-w. The fact that it goes into the kill ring is not important 99% of the time, and in the other 1% I can just define a keybinding (perhaps temporary) for delete-region. Richard> * What are the cases where you find it hurts? It would make me scream every time I select a region and then forget about it (which is _very_ often) and then try to activate delete-backward-char with DEL (which is _also very often_). By the way, what would delete-backward-char be bound to if this change is implemented? Richard> * What is your level of Emacs experience? Experienced Emacs Lisp programmer. Richard> * What would you think of this further change? Opposed, on similar grounds. Richard> Please send your responses to emacs-delete-poll@gnu.org. All in all, if the change is made I'll just override it in my .emacs :-P -- Ian Zimmerman gpg public key: 1024D/C6FF61AD fingerprint: 66DC D68F 5C1B 4D71 2EE5 BD03 8A00 786C C6FF 61AD Rule 420: All persons more than eight miles high to leave the court.