From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: help-emacs-windows@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs 24.0.93 Pretest Windows Binaries published
Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:46:17 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <877h04nc2e.fsf@lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 50081AA79F2F4860A3B9DCEDFC1ABEC8@us.oracle.com
On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 11:52:25 -0800 "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:
DA> The readme is the only place we mention other Windows
DA> binaries - e.g. image binaries. Why treat GnuTLS specially?
DA> Either mention GnuTLS only in the readme (preferred)
DA> or mention in the announcement each of the binaries
DA> that mentioned in the readme (not preferred).
>>
>> I requested that GnuTLS be treated specially. I believe this is
>> necessary because it's important for secure networking on W32, unlike
>> any of the other libraries. This is a temporary remedy; I
>> will work on a W32 installer and then it won't be necessary
>> to mention GnuTLS explicitly (a link to the installer in the
>> announcement would be sufficient).
DA> 1. According to Eli, "It's an email authentication package." Which would mean
DA> that it is needed only by people who use Emacs for email.
DA> At a minimum, that should be pointed out in the brief description that needs to
DA> accompany this "special treatment".
DA> And that's the case wherever we choose to describe GnuTLS. (And it should be
DA> described in the README, irregardless of whether it is described in the
DA> announcement.)
GnuTLS provides SSL and TLS encryption for any network connection, hence
"secure networking" in my earlier message. It can encrypt e-mail
protocols like IMAP and SMTP but does not deal with e-mail messages.
DA> 2. I'm not familiar with your proposed "installer", but I certainly hope that we
DA> will continue to distribute a simple zip archive with a Windows binary.
DA> A priori, I for one will not use an installer to "install" the binary. I use
DA> multiple Emacs Windows binaries, and I do not need an Emacs installer mucking
DA> about with my registry etc. This is one reason I do not use Lennart's
DA> installer, for instance.
DA> It is blindingly simple for a user to unzip an archive in a directory of choice,
DA> and create a startup shortcut. Nothing to it.
DA> What's the motivation for this installer? I can understand Lennart's
DA> motivation, since he has apparently customized many things, including at the C
DA> level. But why do you think Emacs users on Windows need an installer for
DA> vanilla Emacs?
DA> I have nothing against the general idea of our providing an installer in
DA> _addition_ to our providing zip archives, but I would not want to see the latter
DA> practice dropped.
Any installer I assemble will not replace the Emacs binaries and will
not be as "official" as Christoph's binaries. It will not involve
emacs-devel resources, at least.
I've covered the reasons for the installer on this list, going back and
forth over several alternatives. This was a very recent thread. An
installer seems to be the best approach but you can read through the
discussion and decide for yourself.
Ted
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-02-02 21:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-01-30 2:02 Emacs 24.0.93 Pretest Windows Binaries published Christoph Scholtes
2012-01-30 4:55 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-30 17:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-30 18:17 ` [h-e-w] " Drew Adams
2012-01-30 18:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-30 19:08 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-30 19:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-30 18:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-31 14:03 ` Christoph Scholtes
2012-01-31 14:15 ` Drew Adams
2012-02-02 19:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-02 19:52 ` Drew Adams
2012-02-02 21:46 ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2012-02-02 22:05 ` Drew Adams
2012-02-03 13:26 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-03 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-03 13:23 ` GnuTLS invasion of Emacs (was: Emacs 24.0.93 Pretest Windows Binaries published) Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-03 16:29 ` GnuTLS invasion of Emacs published) Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-03 16:51 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-09 14:16 ` need help with certificate bundles for ALL the platforms Emacs supports (was: GnuTLS invasion of Emacs published)) Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-09 18:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-10 13:06 ` need help with certificate bundles for ALL the platforms Emacs supports Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-10 15:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-10 16:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-11 17:22 ` Andy Moreton
2012-02-11 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-12 2:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-12 4:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-12 13:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-13 10:29 ` Andy Moreton
2012-02-13 13:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-10 17:11 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-10 18:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-12 22:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-13 3:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-13 13:24 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-13 15:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-13 16:30 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-13 21:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-13 21:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-13 21:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-02-13 22:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-14 0:05 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-14 2:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-14 2:32 ` Glenn Morris
2012-02-14 13:01 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-02-03 13:25 ` Emacs 24.0.93 Pretest Windows Binaries published Stefan Monnier
2012-02-03 0:48 ` [h-e-w] " Richard M. Heiberger
2012-02-03 8:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-03 10:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-02-03 10:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-03 13:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-02-03 15:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-12 4:04 ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-12 4:08 ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-12 16:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-12 22:19 ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-13 3:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-02-13 3:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-02-13 19:23 ` Lennart Borgman
2012-02-14 22:43 ` Lennart Borgman
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