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From: Yann Hodique <yann.hodique@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC
Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 09:59:53 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877gwkzcsm.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87fwb8sdeh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp

>>>>> "Stephen" == Stephen J Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:

> No, at least in this case Gmail and gmx are behaving conformantly;
> there is no requirement that an MUA implement any kind of behavior for
> the "application" content type, except providing a way to save the
> media to a file.  Which they did.

> Gnus is not incorrect, but it *is* behaving non-portably by providing
> a display method for the rare and non-portable (and probably
> unregistered) MIME type "application/emacs-lisp".

> Use "Content-Type: text/emacs-lisp" and see what happens.

As I said in a previous mail, it doesn't change anything for GMail, and
that is also (unfortunately) conformant.

Basically GMail displays *any* content-type it doesn't know about
(including the text/emacs-lisp or text/lisp variants) as an attachment
named "noname", exactly as shown in Eric's screenshot. That's obviously
a bad idea and not in the spirit of RFC 2046 (which says in 4.1.4 that
those *should* be treated as text/plain), but I'm not sure anybody at
Google really cares :)
A fallback to application/octet-stream, which is probably what's
happening here, is indeed correct...

> The MIME *approach* probably *is* portable; you didn't test it.

> The MIME *type* application/emacs-lisp is *non*-portable.  That's
> exactly what the "application" type is for.

Agreed, and again we should definitely teach Emacs/Gnus to recognize
some text/something for elisp code.
As of today, when attaching or inlining emacs-lisp code in a Gnus
message, the default value for mime type is that application/emacs-lisp,
and that's a bug.

Only that last part we can fix. So in any case, I don't believe we can
ever afford not to emit the text/plain alternative for dumb (yet
potentially even conformant) MUAs.

Given that, since Emacs is probably the only "MUA" that will ever
implement a handler for any elisp-related MIME type, whether it's
text/emacs-lisp or application/emacs-lisp is probably not that much of
an issue (but again, we should use the former)

Yann.

-- 
The capacity to learn is a gift; The ability to learn is a skill; The 
willingness to learn is a choice.

  -- REBEC OF GINAZ




  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-10  7:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-05  6:30 lexical-binding questions Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05  6:45 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05  8:16   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC (was: lexical-binding questions) Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-05  8:39     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tom Rauchenwald
2012-05-05  8:54       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-05 13:38         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-05 17:02           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-06 16:03             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-06 16:46               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-06 17:03                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-05 14:35         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 15:10           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Antoine Levitt
2012-05-05 15:57             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 17:00               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Peter Münster
2012-05-05 17:35                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 21:38                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC John Wiegley
2012-05-07  2:25                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-07  6:23                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-07  9:37                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Thien-Thi Nguyen
2012-05-06 14:17               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-05 15:48           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-05 16:43             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-05 17:12               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-07  8:57                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Julien Danjou
2012-05-07  9:46                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-05 17:36               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-05 19:48           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Martyn Jago
2012-05-05 20:00             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Drew Adams
2012-05-07  5:44             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-07 14:23               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Wolfgang Jenkner
2012-05-08  4:08                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-08  7:37                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Bastien
2012-05-08 11:41                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Juanma Barranquero
2012-05-08 12:17                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-08 14:32                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Andreas Röhler
2012-05-09  1:23                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-09 17:31                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-09  0:47                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09  3:50                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-09 11:35                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 12:23                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-09 13:43                                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-09 14:57                                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 17:08                                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-09 16:06                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 18:20                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-09 16:30                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-09 18:44                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10  7:44                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  7:28                                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  7:59                                       ` Yann Hodique [this message]
2012-05-10 12:35                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 13:28                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Yann Hodique
2012-05-10 13:51                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-15  3:30                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 15:21                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Davis Herring
2012-05-15  3:56                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10  9:02                                       ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC René Kyllingstad
2012-05-10 13:05                                         ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-10 13:55                                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC René Kyllingstad
2012-05-15  3:52                                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-16 14:00                                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-09 13:52                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 17:44                                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09 17:33                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-09  4:45                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eli Zaretskii
2012-05-09  6:28                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Tassilo Horn
2012-05-09  9:30                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Peter Münster
2012-06-08  0:20                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-05-09 17:36                           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier
2012-05-10  0:56                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Miles Bader
2012-05-16 14:51                             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-16 13:05                               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Eric Schulte
2012-05-16 15:17                                 ` plain-text markdown handler for Gnus (was: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC) Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-16 14:21                                   ` plain-text markdown handler for Gnus Eric Schulte
2012-05-16 16:29                                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 14:15           ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 14:18             ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-06 14:33               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Alan Mackenzie
2012-05-06 14:43                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-06 18:57               ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-06 23:20                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07  2:21                   ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Ted Zlatanov
2012-05-07  9:56                     ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Lennart Borgman
2012-05-07 11:04                 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-05-05 13:29   ` lexical-binding questions Stefan Monnier
2012-05-05 17:59     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-06  0:08     ` Miles Bader
2012-05-06  2:43       ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-06  6:00     ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-05 13:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-05 15:57   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2012-05-07 15:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-07 15:39       ` Drew Adams
2012-05-15  6:40       ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-15 13:55         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-14  3:57 ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-14  4:55   ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-14 17:09     ` Johan Bockgård
2012-05-15 17:54       ` egnarts-ms
2012-05-15 20:14         ` Stefan Monnier
2012-05-15 22:59           ` Johan Bockgård
2012-05-16  2:05             ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2012-05-08 22:24 BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Martyn Jago
2012-05-09 17:33 ` BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Stefan Monnier

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