From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Francesco Mazzoli Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs and Java Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:27:31 +0100 Message-ID: <877grvpwyk.wl%f@mazzo.li> References: <87har0onhj.wl%f@mazzo.li> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1347694065 32537 80.91.229.3 (15 Sep 2012 07:27:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2012 07:27:45 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 15 09:27:49 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TCmn2-0003up-A1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 09:27:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36266 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TCmmy-0000sk-9H for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 03:27:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:35934) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TCmms-0000sR-Qu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 03:27:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TCmmr-0005hI-Rx for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 03:27:34 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com ([74.125.82.49]:51427) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TCmmr-0005hC-Lr for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 03:27:33 -0400 Original-Received: by wgbdt14 with SMTP id dt14so3046794wgb.30 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 00:27:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:message-id:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=meo1v2p4aqFumtkFHX2Woqh9MfbMMTpUWJbkUvLjbeA=; b=e5+fxZ/gxGiZB911m1jHVXrxwzv/nSiWXxgEDQSSTs9OvEoNPZkLVWADgdXWiy2fVp fOuNFknpf21sYesAkcKRiPZ511mzhhD2RyDVuBqJq0O2PJJ5jrv986U5MEcvI0dO4RT8 WgFys6VCnBWkK/J/rwPU6YCBfQuntiLrj7ikByQa9rVSAOILzAeaV6CI+vT5uDltfeHL 38WGE2EtTR/kAAuJ2KDGD0lbOG7eUryfJRMtiXNs00BQKpUZq0PRLnjJ0tuuEdw7asBE VG0wOQvM/viAW4Dn3Bc3IwgyLEUaPLYO6eNE0+jRCHYl4cQECPitoU0wSbVM8EzVciCq 1iBQ== Original-Received: by 10.180.90.104 with SMTP id bv8mr3206475wib.22.1347694052464; Sat, 15 Sep 2012 00:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from stringer.mazzo.li (host86-133-198-78.range86-133.btcentralplus.com. [86.133.198.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l6sm3226327wiz.4.2012.09.15.00.27.31 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 15 Sep 2012 00:27:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.8 Emacs/23.3 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkHokFuUOh+O9/Z9gINFXI8cXdyurRmhKAUu04Eo1Y5W6L60ABWkGY09Q9MmKFIDy3njGU8 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 74.125.82.49 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:86787 Archived-At: At Sat, 15 Sep 2012 08:53:47 +0800, Leo wrote: > Writing java in emacs is only better than writing it in notepad. Probably why > some veteran emacs hackers leave emacs for IDEs if they have to hack java day > in and day out! You can customise the hell out of emacs and it will never even > come close to any good java IDE. Emacs simply doesn't understand java or > understand it in a retarded way (i.e. it can do some code completion with a > speed nobody can tolerate). There is no reason whatsoever why this has to be the case, emacs has excellent support (either out of the box or via third party packages) for most languages. The problem is that most people just give up and use big IDEs, which I truly loathe - I'd rather code in the current emacs setup than in an IDE. -- Francesco * Often in error, never in doubt