From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Proposal to improve the nomenclature of scrolling directions Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 01:41:20 +0400 Message-ID: <877gpxyttr.fsf@yandex.ru> References: <50994EF8.5000109@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1352324488 8904 80.91.229.3 (7 Nov 2012 21:41:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Adrian.B.Robert@gmail.com, Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Mathias Dahl Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 07 22:41:37 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TWDNQ-0003y5-Ce for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:41:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45144 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWDNH-0002j0-67 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:41:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47539) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWDNE-0002ih-5Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:41:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWDNC-000636-Nr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:41:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:57293) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TWDNC-00062y-Fn; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 16:41:22 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id p5so1854767lag.0 for ; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:41:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=Ue6T89P3P2JFUvEIavoHgSEdjcdPaIRhQsk6BVDwjs4=; b=YvX4mAk04/q6MtFsfoLuVldsEdUrFaGGERpXZCLUD+poQPoynf2vUA5OQJ6wAWnTAN D2getINhUV9QpwntAeO2zI5CCCOrVsmwkZoqz6VF8wCUr9RbKF7EV8u42Ii89HcxguBQ +HYeGoXf4BBAZQz7X5jRBe6JOxeWFRLhWwjNXTHHR3uapExr2CFrpmdJV71GnwVZScHD LfA7vixQzLaS5jlb5IsVQKvp9EqICbDvfiqoyV47PfdGVvAYFQ6KIlyczUmZzRyZfTlH Ee4iQCeccFuK6taiTLorx4aBCWJWMNaOklfF3wsDuPl+3PC2nKjK7yhJtWBdVjUm2AGe yhOg== Original-Received: by 10.112.27.99 with SMTP id s3mr2411499lbg.81.1352324480841; Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:41:20 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from SOL ([178.252.98.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i7sm8517342lbg.13.2012.11.07.13.41.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 07 Nov 2012 13:41:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Mathias Dahl's message of "Wed, 7 Nov 2012 22:12:29 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (windows-nt) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.215.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154722 Archived-At: Mathias Dahl writes: > Finally a good proposal, thanks! > > And about Drew's argument against it, based on the current "page" term > in Emacs, I'd say that very few would have a problem with it. The change > proposed by Richard would do much more good than harm. Put me down for one "yes, please!" And yeah, switching frames and windows would also serve to improve the initial period of disorientation for new users, but I don't really see that happening anytime soon.