From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2013 16:17:59 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <877gg5pka0.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> References: <87y58pplcp.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87fvuwgsv0.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <075751cf-97a3-4d01-8fb1-4ffbc0180f3f@googlegroups.com> <878v0oxfdw.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <87a9l4rs76.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> <39e6407d-c4fd-4dc1-b47f-a1ba4119c7cb@googlegroups.com> <87iozqzjjq.fsf@VLAN-3434.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375367015 9453 80.91.229.3 (1 Aug 2013 14:23:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2013 14:23:35 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Aug 01 16:23:38 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V4tjn-0003DN-Is for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 16:20:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55874 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V4tjm-0000ce-Sg for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 01 Aug 2013 10:20:18 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 38 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SWN/nubmpQxYKwY7hPy4YA.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:DcKpe7hhr6Hh+aPAgBn5JgcDwe8= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:200355 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92622 Archived-At: drain writes: > The key is to tailor Emacs to the needs of the non-user. I was > able to get a (female) art historian completely addicted to > Emacs because I took her dissertation and broke it down into > org-mode headlines. I sent her a video of this process -- how > effortless it was -- and also explained how her thesis would > have been much more coherently structured with regular headlines > and subheadlines. > > Secondly, I showed her how effortlessly I could format > paragraphs. Isn't a thesis something LaTeX would be the natural choice for, with its from-the-shelf support for a ToC, headers (of all sorts), footnotes, references, etc.? Of which so much is automated to a very high degree? > Anyway, the point is, you can't just send someone a video of you > editing a couple different .cpp buffers in multiple windows, or > entering commands into the shell. You have to really convince > someone -- in forms he / she understands -- that Emacs is an > optimization machine for ALL forms of text editing. Yes, I think videos are great for this! At least if the person who makes the video has the real Emacs fingers, moving the cursor at Jedi-master speed, killing, yanking, filling, other window, reading mail, sending a Usenet post, evaluating some Elisp defun, 1-2-3, KO. Irresistible to any and all true techno-warriors. I done well, I don't think there even need to be a speaker's voice explaining what happens. Just the sound from the keyboard and some techno-eurodisco-trance song to get the bloodlust going. -- Emanuel Berg - programmer (hire me! CV below) computer projects: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 internet activity: http://home.student.uu.se/embe8573