From: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Micro-Init files in GNU ELPA
Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2013 09:27:05 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <877gbj1ih2.fsf@flea.lifelogs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87a9gfx5um.fsf@gmail.com
On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 10:16:25 +0530 Jambunathan K <kjambunathan@gmail.com> wrote:
JK> Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com> writes:
>> I think all of these will cause problems
>>
>> - deprecation of variables
>> - incompatibility of snippets
>> - dependencies
>> - loss of configurability and visibility
>> - bug and maintenance burden on the submitters
>> - documentation (or lack thereof)
JK> My suggestion acknowledges the existing behaviour and merely
JK> systematizes it.
JK> My suggestion is a practical suggestion that need to be tested on the
JK> field and dismissed with a theoretical object.
Your suggestion is completely impractical if it doesn't consider the
practical problems I listed. Saying "like GNU ELPA but for
configuration snippets" is like saying "like a car but flying and for
giraffes." Let's talk about how it will fly.
>> I personally would not use or enjoy such a system.
JK> That's precisely the point. You don't have to.
JK> Installing packages from GNU ELPA is optional. Most intermediate to
JK> expert Emacs users will not use such a system.
JK> But new users will.
I am intermediate-to-expert and I use and love the GNU ELPA. I'd love
to see a new way to configure Emacs; I remember discussing Assistants on
emacs-devel a while back. Assistants are interactive wizards,
implemented by Lars years ago in Gnus but I have yet to figure out how
to use them as a programmer. Assistants are much closer to what I'd
like to see in Emacs for new users.
Packages and configuration snippets are completely different things.
If you want to argue that they can be treated the same way at the user
level, take the practical concerns I listed into consideration. Those
are concerns with any package system you present to a user.
Ted
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2013-11-29 16:50 Finding packages to enable by default Tom
2013-11-29 17:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-29 18:54 ` Tom
2013-11-29 20:12 ` chad
2013-11-29 20:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-29 21:01 ` Tom
2013-11-29 21:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-11-29 22:13 ` Tom
2013-11-30 1:59 ` Glenn Morris
2013-11-30 4:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-30 6:34 ` Tom
2013-11-30 13:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-11-30 19:10 ` Glenn Morris
2013-12-01 9:01 ` Tom
2013-12-01 9:13 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-01 9:21 ` Tom
2013-12-01 9:33 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-01 15:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-01 16:42 ` Tom
2013-12-01 19:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-02 17:09 ` Tom
2013-12-02 17:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-03 17:05 ` Tom
2013-12-03 18:11 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-03 18:30 ` Tom
2013-12-03 19:18 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-03 19:32 ` Tom
2013-12-03 19:55 ` [RFC] Micro-Init files in GNU ELPA & Survey suggestions(Re: Finding packages to enable by default) Jambunathan K
2013-12-03 20:35 ` Tom
2013-12-04 5:04 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 5:29 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 15:50 ` [RFC] Micro-Init files in GNU ELPA Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-04 15:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-12-05 4:46 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-05 14:27 ` Ted Zlatanov [this message]
2013-12-05 14:45 ` joakim
2013-12-05 16:33 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-05 16:56 ` T.V. Raman
2013-12-06 0:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-06 3:28 ` Tom Tromey
2013-12-06 3:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-05 23:18 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-06 1:34 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 8:26 ` Finding packages to enable by default Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 9:13 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 4:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-04 4:21 ` Andrew Hyatt
2013-12-04 5:46 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 16:08 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-12-04 20:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-04 20:32 ` Tom
2013-12-04 21:16 ` Alex Schroeder
2013-12-04 21:36 ` Tom
2013-12-05 1:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-05 15:24 ` Davis Herring
2013-12-05 17:10 ` Tom
2013-12-05 18:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-05 23:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-04 21:13 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-12-04 21:18 ` Tom
2013-12-04 21:39 ` Tom
2013-12-04 22:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-05 7:00 ` martin rudalics
2013-12-05 8:51 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-12-05 18:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-05 18:57 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-05 23:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-06 0:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-06 2:07 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-06 4:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-06 5:16 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-06 5:53 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-06 6:05 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-06 6:37 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-06 8:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-06 8:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-06 11:20 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-06 11:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-06 11:42 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-06 13:57 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-06 14:18 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-06 8:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-06 8:21 ` martin rudalics
2013-12-06 17:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-06 17:40 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-12-07 22:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-08 17:45 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2013-12-08 21:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-10 1:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-11 3:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-11 14:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-11 14:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-08 20:23 ` Stephen Leake
2013-12-08 20:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-12-08 22:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-12-09 2:13 ` ada mode [was Re: Finding packages to enable by default] Glenn Morris
2013-12-12 16:42 ` Stephen Leake
2013-12-12 17:44 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-12-10 2:04 ` Finding packages to enable by default Stefan Monnier
2013-12-12 17:59 ` Stephen Leake
2013-12-11 3:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-11 8:13 ` martin rudalics
2013-12-11 11:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-11 14:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-11 14:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-11 15:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-13 4:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-06 8:21 ` martin rudalics
2013-12-05 0:28 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-12-05 4:34 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-06 5:37 ` Josh
2013-12-06 5:46 ` Drew Adams
2013-12-06 6:01 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-04 21:32 ` icomplete-mode vs. iswitchb Alex Schroeder
2013-12-05 1:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-05 2:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-05 12:45 ` Alex Schroeder
2013-12-05 13:26 ` Bozhidar Batsov
2013-12-05 18:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-08 15:44 ` Mathias Dahl
2013-12-10 1:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-10 9:56 ` Mathias Dahl
2013-12-11 14:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-22 18:24 ` Mathias Dahl
2013-12-23 1:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-27 22:24 ` Mathias Dahl
2013-12-05 8:10 ` Alex Schroeder
2013-12-05 18:57 ` Josh
2013-12-08 19:05 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-12-08 19:09 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-09 18:39 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-12-10 5:15 ` Josh
2013-12-11 4:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-11 18:09 ` Josh
2013-12-12 3:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-12 12:07 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-12-12 12:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-12 12:41 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-12-12 16:38 ` Josh
2013-12-12 17:11 ` chad
2013-12-13 2:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-13 2:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-13 3:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-12-12 18:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-12 18:53 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-12-12 19:34 ` Josh
2013-12-12 17:15 ` Josh
2013-12-11 4:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-06 16:49 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-12-06 17:39 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-12-06 23:07 ` Josh
2013-12-07 13:22 ` Stephen Eglen
2013-11-30 6:27 ` Finding packages to enable by default Tom
2013-11-30 19:06 ` Glenn Morris
2013-12-01 9:10 ` Tom
2013-12-01 22:55 ` Richard Stallman
2013-12-02 17:15 ` Tom
2013-12-05 19:48 ` Richard Stallman
2013-11-30 5:34 ` Josh
2013-11-30 6:03 ` Jambunathan K
2013-12-09 11:21 ` Alex Schroeder
2013-12-16 12:07 ` Alex Schroeder
2013-12-17 10:34 ` Jambunathan K
2014-06-19 15:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-19 22:54 ` Drew Adams
2014-06-19 23:57 ` Daimrod
2014-06-20 8:25 ` Teemu Likonen
2014-06-20 9:25 ` Thorsten Jolitz
2014-06-20 12:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-20 13:38 ` Teemu Likonen
2014-06-20 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-20 15:17 ` Teemu Likonen
2014-06-20 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-06-20 19:49 ` Teemu Likonen
2014-06-21 1:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-06-21 13:18 ` wcheck-mode (was: Finding packages to enable by default) Teemu Likonen
2014-07-07 14:07 ` wcheck-mode Stefan Monnier
2014-06-20 14:44 ` Finding packages to enable by default Stefan Monnier
2014-06-25 9:11 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-06-21 21:51 ` Juri Linkov
2014-06-25 9:12 ` Sebastien Vauban
2014-06-21 22:16 ` Glenn Morris
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